Life

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by 4troof

I understand that at some point there had to be an uncaused first cause...right?

Are you familiar with the logical fallacy called "special pleading"? Just curious.

[Kungfuzed]

Originally Posted by Jayhawker Soule

Wow! Do you have evidence that the sun will rise tomorrow?

Not absolute proof, something could prevent it, but there's plenty of evidence that it will happen.

[Cacafire]

Evidence that the sun will rise tomorrow is technically, "incorrect". In actuality, we have evidence the the earth revolves around the sun, while simultaneously revolving around its axis. Giving the impression that the sun, "rises".

Since closed systems undergo no change until something from without interacts with the system, we have good reason to believe the sun will "rise", tommorrow.

Why do I bother...?

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Kungfuzed

Not absolute proof, ...

Ahhh ... you meant non-absolute proof! Got it.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Cacafire

..., we have good reason to believe the sun will "rise", tommorrow.

The distinction between "good reason" and "proof" is not unimportant.

[4troof]

Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin

Are you familiar with the logical fallacy called "special pleading"? Just curious.

Not trying to plead with my question. Just assuming.

Going back to my original question though...is it faith to say that life started from non-life at some point?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by 4troof

Not trying to plead with my question. Just assuming.

Good, because it looked like you were hinting at using the Argument from First Cause, which is a classic example of special pleading. In essence, it says "because everything must have a cause, the very first thing ever did not have a cause." It applies its arguments inconsistently (that's where the "special pleading" comes in), and you can recognize that it's self-contradictory if you think about it for any length of time at all.

I'm glad you weren't going to use it.

Originally Posted by 4troof

Going back to my original question though...is it faith to say that life started from non-life at some point?

No, that's just looking at the evidence and deciding that it's the most likely explanation.

[4troof]

Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin

Good, because it looked like you were hinting at using the Argument from First Cause, which is a classic example of special pleading. In essence, it says "because everything must have a cause, the very first thing ever did not have a cause." It applies its arguments inconsistently (that's where the "special pleading" comes in), and you can recognize that it's self-contradictory if you think about it for any length of time at all.

I'm glad you weren't going to use it.


No, that's just looking at the evidence and deciding that it's the most likely explanation.

But, that is where it gets very shady to me...
the evidence to me shows very distinctly a designer.

Have you heard of the scrabble game example? If you were to come upon a scrabble game that someone had dropped on the floor with letters everywhere...and in the middle of the letters was a sentence that read "I love to play scrabble"...would you see it as random chance, or as designed?