Religious Education Forum  

Welcome to Religious Forums
Welcome Guest to ReligiousForums.com . You are currently not registered. When you become registered you will be able to interact with our large base of already registered users discussing topics. Some annoying Ads will also disappear when you register. Registering doesn't cost a thing and only takes a few seconds. We provide areas to chat and debate all World Religions. Please go to our register page!

Home Who's Online Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   Religious Education Forum / Religious Topics / Religious Debates
Reload this Page Would men die for something they did not believe?
Sitemap Popular RF Forums REGISTER Search Mark Forums Read

Reply
Page 1 of 6 1 23 > Last »
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-16-2008, 02:46 PM
4troof Offline
Religion: Christian
Title:Freshman Member
  
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Atlanta
Gender: Male
Posts: 41
Frubals: 6240
4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice
Default Would men die for something they did not believe?
Men die everyday for something they believe in.
Would they die for something they did not believe in?

How would a non christian explain why the apostles of Jesus died gruesome deaths saying they had seen Jesus killed and resurrected three days later?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-16-2008, 02:48 PM
Storm's Avatar
Storm Offline
Religion: Rogue Panentheist/ UU
Title:Non-theistic God-believer
  
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Portland, OR
Gender: Female
Posts: 9,553
Frubals: 2791510
Storm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal Whore
Storm is a Frubal Whore
Storm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal Whore
Default
I don't think that anyone disputes that they believed it. However, their belief is not proof that it was true.
__________________
Questions about my beliefs? Click here.

We do not fear the night, who have loved the stars so fondly.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-16-2008, 02:51 PM
4troof Offline
Religion: Christian
Title:Freshman Member
  
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Atlanta
Gender: Male
Posts: 41
Frubals: 6240
4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice
Default
If it was not true, were they all fooled?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-16-2008, 02:54 PM
Storm's Avatar
Storm Offline
Religion: Rogue Panentheist/ UU
Title:Non-theistic God-believer
  
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Portland, OR
Gender: Female
Posts: 9,553
Frubals: 2791510
Storm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal Whore
Storm is a Frubal Whore
Storm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal Whore
Default
I don't think they were fooled, per se. I think the whole thing has been mythologized so heavily that we don't know what the actual apostles thought. But my Christian history is rusty. Give me an example to work with.
__________________
Questions about my beliefs? Click here.

We do not fear the night, who have loved the stars so fondly.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-16-2008, 02:56 PM
4troof Offline
Religion: Christian
Title:Freshman Member
  
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Atlanta
Gender: Male
Posts: 41
Frubals: 6240
4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice4troof is just really nice
Default
Well, the whole New Testement was written by eyewitnesses, all saying he was killed and resurrected.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-16-2008, 02:56 PM
9-10ths_Penguin's Avatar
9-10ths_Penguin Online!
Religion: Lapsed Atheist
Title:1/10 Boltzmann Chicken
Tolerance Award: - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Toronto area, Canada
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,650
Frubals: 4014934
9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore
9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore
9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore9-10ths_Penguin is a Frubal Whore
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4troof View Post
Men die everyday for something they believe in.
Would they die for something they did not believe in?

How would a non christian explain why the apostles of Jesus died gruesome deaths saying they had seen Jesus killed and resurrected three days later?
Did they?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-16-2008, 02:57 PM
Father Heathen's Avatar
Father Heathen Offline
Religion: Atheist
Title:Scoundrel
  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Indiana, U.S.
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,583
Frubals: 3029295
Father Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal Whore
Father Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal Whore
Father Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal WhoreFather Heathen is a Frubal Whore
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4troof View Post
Men die everyday for something they believe in.
Would they die for something they did not believe in?

How would a non christian explain why the apostles of Jesus died gruesome deaths saying they had seen Jesus killed and resurrected three days later?
How would a non Muslim explain why the 9/11 hijackers die gruesome deaths saying that there is no god but Allah and Mohammad is his prophet?

Do you have a point?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-16-2008, 02:58 PM
oldcajun's Avatar
oldcajun Offline
Title:__BE REAL
  
Join Date: Jul 2008
Gender: Undisclosed
Posts: 202
Frubals: 38279
oldcajun has much to be proud of
oldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud ofoldcajun has much to be proud of
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4troof View Post
Men die everyday for something they believe in.
Would they die for something they did not believe in?

How would a non christian explain why the apostles of Jesus died gruesome deaths saying they had seen Jesus killed and resurrected three days later?
You know this is a question that will eventually be muted by a claim that the Bible is a myth and Jesus is a myth so why continue? You can't use the Bible to prove anything to a nonbeliever. They don't accept the Bible as having any authority.
__________________
"The thing formed says that nothing formed it; and that which is made is, while that which made it is not! The folly is infinite."...Jeremy Taylor
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-16-2008, 02:58 PM
Storm's Avatar
Storm Offline
Religion: Rogue Panentheist/ UU
Title:Non-theistic God-believer
  
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Portland, OR
Gender: Female
Posts: 9,553
Frubals: 2791510
Storm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal Whore
Storm is a Frubal Whore
Storm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal Whore
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4troof View Post
Well, the whole New Testement was written by eyewitnesses, all saying he was killed and resurrected.
Only in Christian mythology. Actual study into the history of the Bible paints quite a different picture. FOr instance, iirc, the earliest extant Gospel is that of Peter, dated to roughly 60 CE.

ETA: Also, the earliest extant Gospel (whether I recalled the name correctly or not) has no mention of the Resurrection. It ends with the women finding the tomb empty, "and they were afraid."
__________________
Questions about my beliefs? Click here.

We do not fear the night, who have loved the stars so fondly.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-16-2008, 03:01 PM
Storm's Avatar
Storm Offline
Religion: Rogue Panentheist/ UU
Title:Non-theistic God-believer
  
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Portland, OR
Gender: Female
Posts: 9,553
Frubals: 2791510
Storm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal Whore
Storm is a Frubal Whore
Storm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal WhoreStorm is a Frubal Whore