Why Does God Make Us Suffer?

[maro]

This earthly life is only one chapter of the story , if you read it alone , nothing will make sense at all....why those people suffer when they don't deserve that ? why the criminals who deserve to suffer are set free to enjoy ?.... believing in the afterlife where justice is eventually going to be achieved is a must for not going Mad....i believe Allah is all wise even if can't always comprehend the wisdom.....and i also believe that death is not the end of the story..it's just the beginning...

[idea]

Originally Posted by DallasApple

Some do NOT make themselves "suffer"..Some are just born..and they suffer till death because of that one fact...(they were born)

Originally Posted by Darkness

Dallas, has a great point. Some souls are simply thrust into a state of perpetual peril without a chance at happiness. Reincarnation is an attempt to explain this, though, it fails ultimately to fully explain it.

Originally Posted by .lava

like handicap people?

In some cases our birth is dictated by who we were before we were born into this life...
John 9:1 AND as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

Our spirits existed before birth...
Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee...

not that all handicaps are a curse from premortal sin...
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

we are each born into the life and given the experiences we need to change us. No pain no gain. What does it take to really hate evil? Takes harsher experiences for some than others... If that is what it takes to change, I am willing to go through whatever hell my particular spirit requires so that I will not remain an unsightly lump of clay... refined in the fire and all that... It is merciful that we are refined - however painful that refining process may be.




I guess some of it you don't learn from, it is the price of free will.

Originally Posted by maro

This earthly life is only one chapter of the story ...

I agree

Originally Posted by .lava

someone could be living in very undesirable conditions but he might have peace within.

agree

joy and light are within us - Lusseyran - blind concentration camp survivor (book - and there was light)

[crystalonyx]

Originally Posted by tariqkhwaja

Yes but Atheists often question Theists on how they can believe in a God that makes us suffer. And this post presents that answer. The point is that the existence of suffering does not question the existence of a God and, moreover, does not question the existence of a Merciful God.

I just question the existence of god.

[sojourner]

Theodicy is a very complex subject to get our minds around. I'm not sure a quick, pat answer, arising out of one bit of scripture, is an adequate answer for such a complex question. For a Christian perspective (because I'm not sure I agree with the Koranic passage here), those interested should read Douglas John Hall's, God and Human Suffering. He points out that there are, basically, two kinds of suffering: Suffering that we bring upon ourselves, and suffering that is inherent in the natural order. And he explains very well, from a Christian perspective, the complexity of theodicy.

[tariqkhwaja]

Suffering that we bring upon ourselves, and suffering that is inherent in the natural order.

And the passage in the link I gave somehow completely ignored both those things? And the Christian perspective (since I don't have access to the book) shows what the passage in the link ignored?

If you could please present exactly what in the passage you disagree with and how God and Human Suffering makes the issue more complex.

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by tariqkhwaja

And the passage in the link I gave somehow completely ignored both those things? And the Christian perspective (since I don't have access to the book) shows what the passage in the link ignored?

If you could please present exactly what in the passage you disagree with and how God and Human Suffering makes the issue more complex.

It is He Who has created death and life that He might try you—which of you is best in deeds; and He is the Mighty, the Most Forgiving." [67:2-3]

It is the very scheme of things that God discloses here. We know that life is only a positive value, and death merely means its absence, and no sharp border exists separating one from the other. It is a gradual process, the way life travels towards death and ebbs out, or from the other direction we view death travelling towards life gaining strength, energy and consciousness as it moves on. This is the grand plan of creation, but why has God designed it so? 'That He might try you—which of you is best in deeds', is the answer provided by the Holy Quran.
It is the perpetual struggle between life and death that subjects the living to a constant state of trial, so that all who conduct themselves best survive and gain a higher status of existence.

The verse at the very beginning of the part quoted here is too easy -- and wrong from a Xian POV. Grace has nothing to do with trial. And the Christian finds life through grace. Christ destroyed death, therefore, death doesn't really exist for us. So the Koranic verse doesn't hold water for the Christian. Plus, the Koranic verse does not say anything about the suffering that we bring upon ourselves, wholly outside of what God might "desire" for us.

[Father Heathen]

The only thing missing in the relationship between god and man is the leather mask and ballgag.

[~Amin~]

Originally Posted by DallasApple

Put a "human" into a starvation situation and they will "find something wrong with it"?.

LAVA is 100% if we submitted to God, if we gave zakat(pillar of Islam
giving poor people money) if we did that it wouldn't happen.

[SimonCross]

Maybe this has to do with that we make our own suffering, free will and choice to make things better or worse. The one gift from God and if that is so in theory one way that God does not interfer as such.

I feel that it is us that needs to turn things around and ask what the bloody hell I'm I doing?

I have a great God gift of free will that I am wasting away!!! I should listen more and search inside myself. God is talking, just sometimes we do not listen!!

With Blessings

Simon Cross