Why Does God Make Us Suffer?

[DallasApple]

Originally Posted by .lava

i am not really following. what are you saying?


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Im sorry...I am following what you are saying..Yes ...like "handicapped" people...

I use sarcasm...that is pretty dry..

Love

Dallas

[.lava]

Originally Posted by DallasApple

Im sorry...I am following what you are saying..Yes ...like "handicapped" people...

I use sarcasm...that is pretty dry..

Love

Dallas

got it

people who were not born in war zone, people who does not starve..they are suffering too. saying "we make our selves suffer" is nothing like "yea you deserved it, go starve" or "you were born in war zone so you can suffer" it is not like that Dallas.

everyone who lives a life away from God, suffers within. that is what i meant. on the other hand, someone could be living in very undesirable conditions but he might have peace within.


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[Azakel]

Originally Posted by DallasApple

Some do NOT make themselves "suffer"..Some are just born..and they suffer till death because of that one fact...(they were born)

Love

Dallas

Originally Posted by Darkness

Dallas, has a great point. Some souls are simply thrust into a state of perpetual peril without a chance at happiness. Reincarnation is an attempt to explain this, though, it fails ultimately to fully explain it.

What they said. I agree with them. ^_^

[logician]

We suffer because of the chaotic processes of life, no supposed entity makes us suffer, and we don't suffer because we are sinners. We can suffer from stupid or ill thought out actions.

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by logician

We suffer because of the chaotic processes of life, no supposed entity makes us suffer, and we don't suffer because we are sinners. We can suffer from stupid or ill thought out actions.

...because our biology (what we are) and how our environment interacts with us, makes us who we are and "chooses" what we do.

[UnTheist]

Originally Posted by .lava

everyone who lives a life away from God, suffers within. that is what i meant. on the other hand, someone could be living in very undesirable conditions but he might have peace within.

How do you know this?

[barney1]

I don't believe God relishes in our suffering. Much of the suffering on this earth is brought on by man. At the same time, nobody ever seems to slide through life without challenges. We all need to go through the refiners fire in order to be worthy to stand in Gods presence someday. God knows us personally and to that extent, he allows the trials that will hopefully help us to progress and become more like him. Isn't that what all fathers want for their chioldren? Many (those who have serious physical or mental problems) may not need the same amount of refining as others and their disabilities may be a protection for them.

[tariqkhwaja]

For those of you asking about babies who are born into this world suffering, if you had read the link I posted with the article that question would have been answered.

Let us once again examine the scenario of the 'innocent sufferers', the newborn babies with congenital defects or those falling ill at a later age with typhoid or some other disabling disease, rendering them blind, deaf and dumb, or even partially or totally paralysed for life. Worse still may be the case of those, whose central nervous system is damaged by mishaps during birth, resulting in mental disorders. Is the question valid: Why this particular child, A or B? Why not another, say for instance C or D? Would not the same question repeat again and yet again: Why C or D? Why not E or F and so on? The only valid question therefore, would be: Why anyone at all? Hence the only option the Creator is left with is either to create all babies equally healthy or equally unhealthy. This leads us to the realization that the health of a baby itself is merely of relative value. Perhaps it is hard to find any two babies equally gifted with the health of mind and heart and all the physical organs alike. To resolve the question of suffering, there is another valid question to be raised against the Creator. If one child is born with pinhole eyes and a large ugly nose and other disproportionate features, will he not suffer all his life comparing his disadvantages with the advantages of other more fortunate fellow human beings?

Inequality of health and looks will continue to irritate most individuals and will even agonise some at finding themselves to be at a disadvantage in comparison to others. Does it not warrant in the name of absolute justice and fair play that God should create every human exactly alike in health and looks? Widen the area of comparison by bringing into play the faculties of head and heart and disposition and the contrast between those who have advantages and those who have disadvantages will become even more pronounced. In the absence of extreme cases even the mild cases will appear offensive to the sense of justice. One has to begin somewhere to create variety and diversity to break the monotony. Wherever there is variety and diversity, comparative suffering and happiness are bound to be generated. To object against the plan of things in the name of compassion for disabled children is one thing, but to replace the plan with a more just and compassionate viable plan is quite another. One may try one's hand at altering the scheme for aeons of time but one will still not be able to replace the plan of God's creations for a better one. In other words, we shall be again reverting to the question of why any disease and suffering at all; why should they be inevitable?

[crystalonyx]

Originally Posted by tariqkhwaja

For those of you asking about babies who are born into this world suffering, if you had read the link I posted with the article that question would have been answered.

Or, no god exists, and suffering is merely a chaotic result of living.