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Old 07-14-2008, 04:28 PM
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Madhatter, I'm not going to challenge your science because it is clear to me that you don't have the slightest clue as to recent developments science, or even old developments in science for that matter. You are spouting idiotic information and making your fellow LDSs look bad.

If you want to become informed as to real science take a class. It won't be easy, but it'll be worth it. Or, if you do not want to do that, by all means PM me and I'll explain what little I know there.

But I won't point out all the errors you've made here. Please, stop embarrasing yourself.
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Old 07-14-2008, 06:09 PM
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Madhatter, I'm not going to challenge your science because it is clear to me that you don't have the slightest clue as to recent developments science, or even old developments in science for that matter. You are spouting idiotic information and making your fellow LDSs look bad.

If you want to become informed as to real science take a class. It won't be easy, but it'll be worth it. Or, if you do not want to do that, by all means PM me and I'll explain what little I know there.

But I won't point out all the errors you've made here. Please, stop embarrasing yourself.
Please for sake of argument, enlighten me; rather than berating me for being ignorant without providing anything constructive to the debate. If you have nothign useful to say or any information to back up your claims, then i guess your post has very little credibility.
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Old 07-14-2008, 07:05 PM
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I said it once, and I'll say it again: I will not correct you in this thread. What I shall say is not up for debate. Learn your science, and come back when you are ready.
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I said it once, and I'll say it again: I will not correct you in this thread. What I shall say is not up for debate. Learn your science, and come back when you are ready.
Nice Cop-out gl on debating here buddy. you can't even back up your own posts.

Forum trolls are not appreciated here in RF.
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I don't know about that, you been here a year......
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I don't know about that, you been here a year......
HA HA HA.......

And i leanred my lesson.
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Uh, no. That's belief in magic or things "supernatural." Rather, QM suggests that there are some things that, due to their very nature, cannot be known.
Well, I'm no cosmologist and am willing to admit my knowledge of the subject is wanting, but here's what I was talking about (from wiki);
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If the vacuum is not in its lowest energy state (a false vacuum), it could tunnel into a lower energy state. This is called the vacuum metastability event. This has the potential to fundamentally alter our universe; in more audacious scenarios even the various physical constants could have different values, severely affecting the foundations of matter, energy, and spacetime. It is also possible that all structures will be destroyed instantaneously, without any forewarning.

Many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics

According to the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, the universe will not end this way. Instead, each time a quantum event happens that causes the universe to decay from a false vacuum to a true vacuum state, the universe splits into several new worlds. In some of the new worlds the universe decays; in some others the universe continues as before.
I've highlighted what I was talking about in blue, that at the end a a universe random quantum fluctuations could fundamentally alter the nature of physics as we know it - even to the extent of creating new universes beyond our comprehension, quite literally anything could happen.

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Energy is created, how do you think that matter can release energy? because of it's enviroment and stimuli applied to it. Energy is then converted back into matter after it's use.
This is chemistry 101. Energy is stored in the atomic bonds of matter, and in the nuclear forces that hold an atom together. When these bonds are broken or made they release their energy in the form of heat, light and sometimes sound.
Energy is not necessarily "converted back to matter" at all, in some cases it can simply be transferred from form to form, like from light to heat to electric charge to sound and back to heat again.

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As if it were that. this made me giggle out loud
And how would you describe your theory of universe origination then? A fairy with a book of magic spells seems quite apt considering what you are suggesting.
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Well, I'm no cosmologist and am willing to admit my knowledge of the subject is wanting, but here's what I was talking about (from wiki);

I've highlighted what I was talking about in blue, that at the end a a universe random quantum fluctuations could fundamentally alter the nature of physics as we know it - even to the extent of creating new universes beyond our comprehension, quite literally anything could happen.
does this sound any different to you then mircales happening? honestly. if anythign could change at any moment due to this quantum theory do you not think it possible that a supreme being would use this to do his will?


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This is chemistry 101. Energy is stored in the atomic bonds of matter, and in the nuclear forces that hold an atom together. When these bonds are broken or made they release their energy in the form of heat, light and sometimes sound.
Energy is not necessarily "converted back to matter" at all, in some cases it can simply be transferred from form to form, like from light to heat to electric charge to sound and back to heat again.
Photons are a particle with 0 mass that are only measured in energy. Here is an interesting Fact, Things that emit Photons steadily lose mass while objects that absorb photons steadily gain mass.

there is a conversion process somehwere. Energy is not a universal constant, once energy is used it dissipates or otherwise becomes unusable because it no longer contains energy.

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And how would you describe your theory of universe origination then? A fairy with a book of magic spells seems quite apt considering what you are suggesting.
then you haven't been reading. I'm stating that God uses scientific ways of brigning forth his works and mircales.
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