Birth Control (Jesus, priests, moral, celibacy, contraceptives)

[civilcynic]

Frankly, I am not clear what chastity or remaining chaste has to do with family planning in context with marital relations between a husband and wife nor does it address the Church's belief that the husband is the head of the household and the wife's role is to love, support and submit to the husband's decisions.

Given that the Catholic Church gives only two family planning options to married couples: rhythm method and abstinence. Given the high failure rate of the rhythm method and the fact that many women who are unable to use the rhythm method, what options are available to prevent unwanted pregnancy? Will the Catholic Church fully support the decision of a woman to completely stop having marital relations with her husband until she has passed child-bearing years and no longer has to fear pregnancy? Or will the Church counsel the couple about the importance of sexual relations within the marriage and that the husband should not be denied sexual relations even if it risks unwanted pregnancy?

What about Catholic married women who have medical/health problems whose life would be at risk if they become pregnant or who would risk their health because pregnancy would prevent them from taking medication for their physical or mental well-being? What are their options? Abstaining from sex with their husband - would the Catholic Church support her decision? Or risking a form of birth control that has a high failure rate and thereby risking a pregnancy that could impact her health or worse, kill her?

These questions are especially pertinent when one considers the most recent edict from the Catholic Church which describes feminism as evil.

[Scott1]

civil,

Frankly, I am not clear what chastity or remaining chaste has to do with family planning in context with marital relations between a husband and wife

Did you read anything I wrote? We are humans not apes...... can YOU not control your sexual urges? I can.

Church's belief that the husband is the head of the household and the wife's role is to love, support and submit to the husband's decisions.

What?
12. “For all of you who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ... there is neither male nor female”, writes Saint Paul to the Galatians (3:27-28). The Apostle Paul does not say that the distinction between man and woman, which in other places is referred to the plan of God, has been erased. He means rather that in Christ the rivalry, enmity and violence which disfigured the relationship between men and women can be overcome and have been overcome.
From the first moment of their creation, man and woman are distinct, and will remain so for all eternity. Placed within Christ's Paschal mystery, they no longer see their difference as a source of discord to be overcome by denial or eradication, but rather as the possibility for collaboration, to be cultivated with mutual respect for their difference. From here, new perspectives open up for a deeper understanding of the dignity of women and their role in human society and in the Church.
Rome, from the Offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, May 31, 2004

These questions are especially pertinent when one considers the most recent edict from the Catholic Church which describes feminism as evil.

I don't know where you are getting all of this incorrect information, but if you would like to actually read and EDUCATE yourself to the truth, look here:
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/co...ration_en.html

Peace,
Scott

[civilcynic]

Yes, I did read your responses and you still have not directly answered my questions.

Where am I getting my information from.....Catholic Schools which I've attended for all my academic years; the Catholic Church's own statements and edicts and, yes, the newspaper.

However, since I am soooooooo ignorant and uneducated, why don't you answer my questions specifically and directly because your regurgitation of quotes do not directly address the questions I am asking.

Can you tell me....yes or no, if a married woman has the right to withhold sexual relations from her husband for as long as she wants or deems necessary for family planning purposes and would the Catholic Church support this as a viable method of birth control?

Lastly, you may not agree with my views or like them but to suggest that I am ignorant, uneducated or that I have not read your responses is uncalled for. Mellow out!

[Scott1]

civil,

However, since I am soooooooo ignorant and uneducated,

Never meant or implied that........ you seem to be taking a debate of ideas personally......... not the best idea (or does that make you feel ignorant??? sorry)

Lastly, you may not agree with my views or like them but to suggest that I am ignorant, uneducated or that I have not read your responses is uncalled for. Mellow out!

WHAT?

Ok...... I'm gonna end this here.... I will not be responding to any more of your posts.

Peace be with you,
Scott

[civilcynic]

Agreed, Scott...........You have never answered any of my questions anyway and I came to the same conclusion you did regarding responding to posts.

[Ceridwen018]

Ok Scott, I have a question.

Well for starters, I don't totally understand why the Church outlaws forms of tangible contraception (condoms, the pill, etc.). I have had it explained to me that these forms of birth control allow people to use god's gift of sex outside of its intended purpose, being procreation, of course.

This explanation doesn't make sense to me on account of because Rhythm also allows a couple to have sex without getting pregnant. The only difference between Rhythm and a condom is that Rhythm takes a heck of a lot more work to acheive a much lower success rate.

Is there a better explanation for why Rhythm is an accepted form of contraception but condoms aren't?

**The bit about partial birth abortions being performed in Witchita is indeed faulty information. First of all, as I think I mentioned earlier, partial birth abortions have been outlawed in the US (correct me if I'm wrong of course, but I am very certain of this). Secondly, I hadn't caught this before, but it was said that in partial birth abortions, only the baby's head is delivered, and then it is killed. This is incorrect. In medicine, once a baby's head has been delivered, it is considered born and alive--an official human being. On account of this, in partial birth abortions, the entire body EXCEPT for the head is delivered, and the baby is killed while its head is still inside the mother.**

Lastly, I just wanted to agree wholeheartedly with Dan. That was a fabulous post and I hope someone responds to it soon.

[Metanoia]

Oh gods...

I just wanted to put in that everyone should please remember that the rhythm method isn't a reliable "contraceptive method" and it wouldn't stop you from getting STD's either.

Before I met my boyfriend he had a girlfriend who was trying to be a good catholic. She decided to go off the pill and convinced him to use the rythm method. Now he has a gorgeous 4 year old son to show for it and a not so nice bank account from child support.

And believe me its been very hard as a young woman to cope with the man I love having the responsibilities of a child, not to mention the realisation that I can't have all the firsts that come with having a child with him.

[Scott1]

ceridwen,

This explanation doesn't make sense to me on account of because Rhythm also allows a couple to have sex without getting pregnant.

Well, since you don't understand, I will try to be very basic, then follow up with more info if you like:

It all comes back to chastity. Talk about which method of birth CONTROL you like, but that is irellevant to me.....you are still trying to control it. I would say that the only way for me is to just "wing it" and let God take control. Don't want kids? Don't have sex. There is more to life and love than the physical side.

Peace,
Scott

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by SOGFPP

ceridwen,


Well, since you don't understand, I will try to be very basic, then follow up with more info if you like:

It all comes back to chastity. Talk about which method of birth CONTROL you like, but that is irellevant to me.....you are still trying to control it. I would say that the only way for me is to just "wing it" and let God take control. Don't want kids? Don't have sex. There is more to life and love than the physical side.

Peace,
Scott

You sound like you are discussing birth control prior to marriage. Isn't chasity a temporary celibacy? Both, in my mind, are inhuman and abnormal for mature adults and the older teenager. The age of sex (and marriage) has varied over the centuries and the RCC has accomodated that and most of today's "vices". Historically, the RCC can be viewd as hypocritical in the face of an unchanged scripture.

The "more" of life and love does not exclude the physical but embraces it.

-pah-

[Scott1]

pah,

Isn't chasity a temporary celibacy?

Not in this case.

Historically, the RCC can be viewd as hypocritical in the face of an unchanged scripture.

That's terrific..... post your opinion without examples.......... nice........ and you're a moderator????

Scott