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Old 07-05-2008, 11:23 AM
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Old 07-05-2008, 11:38 AM
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Now it's time for the battle of the burning bosoms! I've read the Book of Mormon and felt nothing but revulsion (this is actually true, although I know of others who experienced simply great boredom or other neutral feelings while reading it and asking God about it). I'm convinced that God was confirming that the LDS church is nothing but a satanic deception (this is rhetoric, but it serves well enough as a basis for argument).

Okay, so we've got the happy feeling in the blue corner and the sickening feeling in the red corner. Keep your hands up, and remember, no low blows or shots to the kidneys. If I tell you to break the clinch, do so immediately. Understood? Okay then, let's fight!
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Old 07-05-2008, 01:15 PM
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I wouldn't call it a Satanic deception. There are lots of beliefs out there.

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Okay then, let's fight!
Why do you want to fight and about what?
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Why do you want to fight and about what?
It was a joke; I don't want to fight about anything. I was pointing out the epistemologically tenuous position of relying on a "burning in the bosom" to convince one of religious truth. Mormons frequently say "if you want to know the BoM is true, just read it and pray and ask God to show you whether these things are true." Some people who read it get a nice fuzzy feeling that they interpret as divine authentication of the book. Others get a sickening feeling, which they might interpret as divine warning against the book. So, as my analogy tries to portray with some humor, we are reduced to a battle of intuitions or feelings.

I'd say that if you want to know the truth of the BoM, one should examine the archaeological evidence concerning the existence of the central American civilizations portrayed there.
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I'd say that if you want to know the truth of the BoM, one should examine the archaeological evidence concerning the existence of the central American civilizations portrayed there.
In my faith, personal revelation is critical to conversion. One can't become converted and develop the faith suffiicient to commit his life to the cause, without a strong personal conviction based on prayer, obedience, and personal revelation.
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That is interesting. I am more of a skeptic. I find faith in my life.

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In my faith, personal revelation is critical to conversion. One can't become converted and develop the faith suffiicient to commit his life to the cause, without a strong personal conviction based on prayer, obedience, and personal revelation.
That's part of it, certainly. But that's all internal. Scientologists might also gain strong personal convictions based on prayer, obedience and personal revelation. So might a Baptist. So might a devotee of Tammuz, and based on that revelation, sacrifice their child in the pyre. A serious question must now be posed about whether any of these religious revelations have a source we can trust. In other words, these subjective experiences must be put to a public test of authority. For Christianity, that's a relatively simply thing to do. Christianity appeals to history, to history it shall go. The same goes for the LDS. Its revelatory books claim that there were these huge central American societies distinct from the Aztecs, Incas, and so on. So to truly validate the LDS revelation, one must validate that record which is supposed to bring about this "burning of the bosom." It need not be perfect validation, it need only pass muster according to the mainstream canons of historical research. If it does so, it's at least a starter. But it's a recipe for deception to leave it all to a subjective test for truth.
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