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So a demon or delirious spirits cannot deceive you because of this? There is no chance that these people who believed they saw the Virgin Mary were in fact seeing a disguised demon or spirit?
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You just know in an instant, your spirit can detect other spirits, not with your physical senses, but with your spirit senses, which quickens your mortal senses. An exalted being will appear in full BRILLIANT color and an extremely joyful feeling will accompany him or her. I've felt this feeling, it's like nothing I've experienced on earth. Seeing and feeling what it would be like to be in Heaven, just for an instant was enough to want to have that for eternity. I've seen and felt the extreme opposing feelings of both an evil and a good spirit, It's too obvious to mistake these two extreme feelings and beings when they appear. There is one other way to detect a demon spirit, that being you can run your hand through him and not be able to touch him, that isn't the case with an exalted being, they have a body like you and I, only it is immortal. The demon tried to grab me but couldn't of course and I could have run my hand through his face. Stupid demon... You could touch Mary if allowed, because she has a physical immortal body, as does Christ. It was as if I could see through the demon spirit, but not with Mary Magdalene who appeared in a very solid visible form. Last edited by FFH; 09-23-2008 at 12:00 AM. |
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You're sure it wasn't the Hindu Lakshmi or Durga, then?
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I'm absolutely positively sure it was Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, who appeared to these children in Garabandal, Spain, and the three children of Fatima, Portugal, and to Burnadette Soubirous in Lourdes, France, and many others such as the five children of Medjugorje, Bosnia.
I have absolutely no doubts or reservations about it, none whatsoever. Grotto of Lourdes Lourdes, France Grotto ~ Mother Mary - Bernadette Soubirous Visionary ![]() Grotto at Lourdes - Mother Mary - Crystalinks Mary Magdalene also had a white robe with a deep brilliant blue accent as similarly depicted here. Last edited by FFH; 09-23-2008 at 12:10 AM. |
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I would expect the ultimate deceiver to be better than that. Like you I have no doubt that demons exist. You are right in that they could appear in the guise of handsomeness.
And definitely, what did Tolkien say? "A servant of the Enemy would look fairer... and feel fouler." You didn't stop to think that the ones with a foul spiritual presence were just a front for the ones who would make you feel spiritually at ease. After all, if it were the case that all demons could only send bad vibes through your spine, then everyone would be Christian as you are, and no one would have been deceived by the devil. (as a side note, let me commend you for your bravery in standing up to a demon... not an easy task, to say the least. Good work.) Please understand, I'm not saying that those people did not see an angel or as you would say, "exalted one." I'm just saying that in the field of the supernatural, skepticism is important. And I have a feeling that skepticism would merit a greater reward than blindly following anything that feels good in the spirit. After all, "Many will come in my name, claiming 'I am Christ' and shall deceive many." (Matt 24:5) Why can this passage not apply to other heavenly beings as well?
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I was not doing what I knew I should be doing when the demon appeared in full view, just his face, and I knew it was because of my disobedience to God's will for my life. I was in a rebelious stage of my life when that demon appeared so close to my face it freaked me out and I knew I was very close to being caught up in a world of pain, sorrow and regret. I got out of that rut/pit and escaped the grips of that type of life, which truly would have bound me in spiritual chains. The circumstances in which I saw Mary Magdalene were such that I had intensely been debating the fact that Mary Magdalene was never married to Christ. I had been debating this very fact on RF when in full view I saw her fave and profile down to the shoulders and saw her beautiful robe for a flash of a second, the same amount of time that I saw the demon, nearly 20 years earlier, no more than a flash of a second, that's all. So the circumstances in which I saw these brief visions were completely opposite. Rebelious state ~ I saw a demon Debating and defending Christ and Mary Magdalene on RF ~ I saw Mary Magdalene Sounds weird but I really did see her and felt of her spirit, it was great, but it only lasted a second or even a fraction of a second, like a flash of a camera light, that's all, but it was enough time. Quote:
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The rebellious see, feel and have evil spirits visit and possess them. The righteous see, feel and have good spirits visit them. I've also felt the presence of Christ so strongly in my home that I knew he was there, it made me weap uncontrollably and I spoke the words, "He's here, Jesus is here" and a week earlier I had had the same experience, crying uncontrollable crying and I spoke the words, "Christ is coming" and wept for nearly 30 minutes and I'm not a crying person AT ALL. I had been fasting for two to two and a half days at a time during that period in my life to see how long I could last. Fasting brings about good. Last edited by FFH; 09-23-2008 at 01:34 AM. |
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FFH,
I used to pray to see angels and even prayed for God to show me demons and evil spirits, and nothing commenced. Was I not faithful enough for God to answer my call? Or can I conclude that none of the three; angels, demons, nor God, wish to be seen? Or maybe they do not exist?
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If one totally commits themselves to God, no doubt that person will definitely see into the spiritual extended realms of Heaven or Paradise and the being who reside there. I'm in no way perfect, but I've tried to commit myself totally to God as best I can, given my current circumstances. I've rebelled against God and have also strived to be righteous, thus the reason I've seen both an evil and a rightous spirit with my spirit eyes, not my natural eyes, which would be impossible, but all is possible with the help of God. I think it depends on what you focus on. If you focus on wanting the things of God they will be shown to you. I wasn't looking to see anything though, it just happened. I've also heard angels sing in the spirit, it's out of this world, literally, better than any music I've heard on earth, but again it only lasted for a second or two, that's all. I suppose if one focuses on wanting the things of God, signs will be given. Mark 16: 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; Last edited by FFH; 09-23-2008 at 02:05 AM. |
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FFH, I never doubted your experiences. I too believe in spirits, and have had my own experiences myself. Let me relate to you one that I actually had in a Catholic church. (feel free to call me mad, anyone; I won't get offended by a possible truth; just understand that I do not use drugs or hallucinagens of any kind)
I was attending my baby cousin's baptism(his parents are Catholic, and being a blood relative, I was to attend... not my first choice, I'll admit, but not one I regret or one that I would now trade for something else). My girlfriend was with me as well. I felt a good feeling from the church. It wasn't oppressive or judgmental, but peaceful and happy. We both felt we were welcome there, despite our beliefs. The priest started his sermon to the parents: "If these babies go to Hell, it's on your shoulders as well for not teaching them correctly..." (not something I particularly agree with, but whatever) and I just lowered my head and closed my eyes in meditation, not really paying attention. I could feel the good spirits around me, welcoming me despite my pagan views. It was a warm feeling. When from outside the church walls I felt the presence of a dark spirit(not quite powerful enough to be a demon, I don't think, but still more potent than any house ghost) trying to enter. I don't know why he was trying to enter, and I frankly don't really want to know. I was thinking that it was probably my imagination, but my girlfriend was also feeling it, I found out a bit later but still during the incident. I felt the good spirits battling the dark spirit so that it wouldn't enter, and both me and my girlfriend agreed that this was a spirit that had tried to invade the church in the past. We both then loaned our own spiritual powers to help the good spirits, though they "said" (no words, of course) that we were too weak. Nevertheless, we both did what we could to help, and in the end the dark spirit didn't enter, though I don't think we really "helped" as we are both still spiritually weak and at the time more than a bit superstitious, which is still the case now. (though we're working on it) We were late for something, so we had to leave before the baptism was over, but as we were leaving, I felt like I was being embraced and she told me she felt like she'd been kissed on the forehead. So trust me, I too have had experiences, and I know how you feel. But I also believe that none of us have all the answers, and as we live, we can always learn new things from the good spirits regardless of how we think of them or label them. Recognize that I didn't name or label the good spirits in my story other than that title which I simply gave them so as to distinguish them from the dark spirit for the sake of the readers, because I don't believe such entities can be labeled or named. If you had been in my place, you no doubt would have labeled them Christ, God, and/or the Virgin Mary, and the dark spirit you might have labeled as Satan or one of his followers.
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Ever see Bruce Almighty?
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