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Old 06-19-2008, 04:36 PM
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The Bible teaches us to believe in one god, the one mentioned in the Bible. This is one of the Ten Commandments. The Bible also teaches us that God is perfect and is a loving God. If this were true, how come he would damn someone who does not believe in him. You don't have to be a Christian to be a good person and good people should not be damned. To me such a god is far from loving and perfect.
The Bible also tells us that: But Cain answered the Lord, "My punishment is too great to bear! Since You are banishing me today from the soil, and I must hide myself from Your presence and become a restless wanderer on the earth, whoever finds me will kill me."
15Then the Lord replied to him, "In that case, whoever kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over." And He placed a mark on Cain so that whoever found him would not kill him. Then Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
If the Adam and Eve were the first to humans and Cain and Able were their children. This would mean that once Able was dead that the total population would be 3 people, Adam, Eve, and Cain. If that were true then who did Cain have to worry about killing him.
There are many other reasons why I feel most of the Bible is BS, but I just don't have time to write it all. The message of the Bible is good; be a good person, but just about everything else just seems rediculous.
You fall into a catagory of many disbelievers who limit God to only one or two characteristics to the fault of ignoring many other of His attributes.
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Old 06-19-2008, 04:40 PM
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If you're an athiest and you have to be sworn in, can you legally purjure because you were sworn in on the Bible, but you don't believe in it???

Maybe if you're an Athiest or Agnostic, they swear you in with a biology book or something. That'd be neat.
I don't know how things work in the US, but up here, any time you might need to swear an oath for legal reasons, you have the option to give an affirmation (not on any book, but still binding under penalty of perjury) rather than an oath.
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Old 06-19-2008, 06:04 PM
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Same here in the States, penguin. The Bible thing is mostly for show. The court just wants a public affirmation that you're going to tell the truth.
Of course, if you're being tried in the Bible Belt and forgo the Book for a simple promise that you'll tell the truth, it might look a little suspicious to the pious onlookers.
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Old 06-20-2008, 11:40 AM
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The Bible teaches us to believe in one god, the one mentioned in the Bible. This is one of the Ten Commandments. The Bible also teaches us that God is perfect and is a loving God. If this were true, how come he would damn someone who does not believe in him. You don't have to be a Christian to be a good person and good people should not be damned. To me such a god is far from loving and perfect.
The Bible also tells us that: But Cain answered the Lord, "My punishment is too great to bear! Since You are banishing me today from the soil, and I must hide myself from Your presence and become a restless wanderer on the earth, whoever finds me will kill me."
15Then the Lord replied to him, "In that case, whoever kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over." And He placed a mark on Cain so that whoever found him would not kill him. Then Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
If the Adam and Eve were the first to humans and Cain and Able were their children. This would mean that once Able was dead that the total population would be 3 people, Adam, Eve, and Cain. If that were true then who did Cain have to worry about killing him.
There are many other reasons why I feel most of the Bible is BS, but I just don't have time to write it all. The message of the Bible is good; be a good person, but just about everything else just seems rediculous.
People choose Heaven or hell. Obviously being "good" isn't enough to get to Heaven because God sent Jesus to suffer and die for our sins. Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

As far as Adam and Eve's children: You forgot about Seth (Genesis 4:25), and the other sons and daughters (Genesis 4:26).

It would seem that Cain was afraid that one of his siblings, nieces, or nephews would kill him for what he had done.
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Old 06-20-2008, 12:42 PM
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The Bible takes a life time of study to even begin to understand fully. Most aren't willing to put in the time and effort. But the pursuit is worth it. One of the biggest lessons is that we know very little. Someone out there knows more that we do. Someone out there knows better than we do.

Like teenagers who think they know more than their parents; then they grow up and realize differently.
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Old 06-20-2008, 12:59 PM
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The Bible takes a life time of study to even begin to understand fully. Most aren't willing to put in the time and effort. But the pursuit is worth it. One of the biggest lessons is that we know very little. Someone out there knows more that we do. Someone out there knows better than we do.

Like teenagers who think they know more than their parents; then they grow up and realize differently.
I agree, especially about the teenagers.

I've been a Christian for 30 years and didn't actually read the entire bible until a couple of years ago. I even read through all the "begats". I learned so much and can't believe I waited so long to read it.

Like most Christians I just skimmed through the bible looking for stuff that suited my needs at the time, and I just assumed when someone said, "The bible says..." that they were correct. I've learned to look it up myself, and most of the time "The bible says..." something completely different than what I was told.
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You fall into a catagory of many disbelievers who limit God to only one or two characteristics to the fault of ignoring many other of His attributes.
Your comment strikes me as being the same as:
"But your honour, you are ignoring that the defendant gives generously to charities, volunteers at the YMCA, attends church regularly. Why are you not addressing these things but instead are concentrating on the fact that he brutally raped and murdered several women, children and animals?"
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I agree with some who say that most Christians don't really know the Bible and the people who discredit it, know it the least. I've studied it my whole life, and still am just at the surface.
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AS to who has and has not read the book in North America where most of our needs are conveniently met there are many who have not read the whole book or know why they believe as they do. However as you move into persecuted nations all over the world the opposite applies where they most assuredly have read the entire book and know large portions of it by heart.
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This should help some of you out: Skeptic's Annotated Bible / Quran / Book of Mormon
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