Why I think a lot of the Bible is False

[crystalonyx]

Originally Posted by Heneni

If you are born on earth, its precisely because you are NOT innocent. The fact that you, me the little baby is here, is because you, me the little baby rebelled against god, wanted to be free from gods rule, and whola, here we are. Babies might be innocent in regards to sinning against their fellow humans, but no one on this planet is innocent of rebelling against god.

All of this is completely negated if no god exists, which IMHO is the case.

[Heneni]

Hi crystal!

True, but from my perspective, if god did not exist, then neither would me, you and the little baby.

But ok, if you dont believe that god exists, then the little babies are innocent with regards to their fellow human beings. And then the fact that this non existant god wanted the hebrews to kill babies never happened either. A mythical god would do mythical things.

[Riverwolf]

Originally Posted by Heneni

If you are born on earth, its precisely because you are NOT innocent. The fact that you, me the little baby is here, is because you, me the little baby rebelled against god, wanted to be free from gods rule, and whola, here we are. Babies might be innocent in regards to sinning against their fellow humans, but no one on this planet is innocent of rebelling against god.

Uh... no. Adam sinned. Eve sinned. The serpent sinned.

Sins of the father don't carry to the future generations in other peoples' beliefs, including mine. Granted, I've sinned, but I sinned after I was born; when I was an infant, I had a clean slate.

That's the argument.

Not only that, but using that logic, then Hebrew babies weren't innocent either, so why did they not get killed?

[Riverwolf]

Originally Posted by Heneni

Hi crystal!

True, but from my perspective, if god did not exist, then neither would me, you and the little baby.

But ok, if you dont believe that god exists, then the little babies are innocent with regards to their fellow human beings. And then the fact that this non existant god wanted the hebrews to kill babies never happened either. A mythical god would do mythical things.

The Hebrews did commit genocide. That's historical. The reason for it is the same reason for the Crusades. "Because God told us!"

Don't forget, it is generally accepted by scholars that the Torah was written well after the fact. They would have had to have some kind of excuse to please the children and future generations, so they said, "God told us!"

[Caladan]

Would one call the Iliad or the Odyssey false?
There are stories in the Bible which are addressed to the people of the time, with a very clear agenda, an agenda that is derived from the sociopolitical landscape of the time.
looking at it from perspectives of 'false' and 'right' is simply irrelevant.
The Bible is ought to be looked at for what it is, a collection of literature, parables, metaphors and allegories, history from a certain POV, myths- some of them under the influence of other ANE (ancient near eastern) mythologies, and Hebrew lore and traditions.
I think only a handful of people will take some of the material written in the Bible at face value, there is a context to everything.
From reading the original post of the thread, I would say that the beef is with a certain dogma, rather than a literary work we sometimes need to read in a certain context.

[Caladan]

he Hebrews did commit genocide. That's historical. The reason for it is the same reason for the Crusades. "Because God told us!"

Actually the Hebrews did not commit genocide. the passages that can be equated with genocide in the bible do not depict real historical events.
and no people of the time, took them to mean that they need to take arms and go on genocide, it was part of ideological push, that ended with the conquest of strategic territories, in a crucial time- the time of the collapse of the Assyrian empire.
the passages for example are the conquest of Canaan led by Joshua- which is not historical event, its an ideological text in the Bible, that was there because of the political landscape in the region, and the push of taking hold of important territorial points.

[Heneni]

Originally Posted by Riverwolf

Uh... no. Adam sinned. Eve sinned. The serpent sinned.

Hmmm...i understand that you and thousands of other people dont believe that they sinned against god before adam and eve was created. I dont believe that.

Sins of the father don't carry to the future generations in other peoples' beliefs, including mine. Granted, I've sinned, but I sinned after I was born; when I was an infant, I had a clean slate.

You had a clean slate before god? If that be the case, then you should shoot the person that taught you to tell the first lie. Or you should hate your mother and or father for teaching you to take cookies out of the cookie jar without their permission, or you should hate the person who taught you to lust. If you had a clean slate, then why did YOU not keep it clean? And if you want to blame someone else for your mishaps, then you are avoiding responsibility for your own actions.

Not only that, but using that logic, then Hebrew babies weren't innocent either, so why did they not get killed

Well actually Herod had a few of them killed in his lifetime.

Originally Posted by Riverwolf

The Hebrews did commit genocide. That's historical. The reason for it is the same reason for the Crusades. "Because God told us!"

I suppose we all have to ask ourselves why we believe in a god that would kill babies? You have to sort that one out for yourself, or perhaps you have decided to not believe in a god that would do such a thing. But then, you need to ask yourself, why are you still alive? Because you are lucky? Or because god is keeping you alive? Are you the one keeping yourself going? If we could do that we would have power over life and death. We dont, but god does, so if those babies were killed, they could just as easily have been re-incarnated the next day, or even the instant they died.

[Riverwolf]

Originally Posted by Heneni

You had a clean slate before god? If that be the case, then you should shoot the person that taught you to tell the first lie. Or you should hate your mother and or father for teaching you to take cookies out of the cookie jar without their permission, or you should hate the person who taught you to lust. If you had a clean slate, then why did YOU not keep it clean? And if you want to blame someone else for your mishaps, then you are avoiding responsibility for your own actions.

I do. I'M the one who soiled my slate, not Adam, and cleaning it is not easy and takes forever. Besides, I don't hate; I forgive.