Why I think a lot of the Bible is False

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Heneni

If the bible was written by humans, who wanted to actually control the massas, they would NOT have included...

'fear no man' and
'dont call anybody father'

hence, my conclusion is that the bible was not completely inspired by humans and can therefore not be completely false.

Your conclusion is irrational.

[Troublemane]

Originally Posted by SonOfNun

First off saying that everyone can experience God in their own way is a total lie. It is a lie fabricated by a world that is sick and tired of trying to come up with something other then God.

If its a lie, then how can Jesus be a personal lord and savior to anyone? What would be the point of anyone praying to God if they cannot have a personal relationship with Him/Her/It?

This statement of course can only be backed if the Bible really is the truth.

How so? It seems the statement can only be backed up if God does not care about anyone personally, or that the only possible way to interact with God would be through the intercession of a professional priesthood. The bible cannot be an intercessor, since it is not alive and is capable of many differing interpretations.

Lets start in the garden. God created man and set them in the garden for the purpose of glorifying and worshiping him. I know this sounds a bit egotistical but hopefully by the end of this you will realize that there really is no other way for a bunch of people to survive together unless they are constrained and protected by God.

Then why does God turn them loose? Banish them from the garden at the first sign of trouble? If God was protecting them how did the snake enter the garden? Doesnt sound like God was protecting them too well, and when the chips were down, God turns them out?---No, Youve got the story all wrong. Since they were not real people anyway, just myths. But what they represent are what we were before we develloped intelligence. The power to decide our own fates...to know good and evil.

When that happened we stopped being animals (living in the paradise of ignorance) and were "cast out", to fend for ourselves. Not because God was punishing us (though primitive man probably thought that way!)...but because we were now capable of being aware of hardship.

The Bible says that God made man in the image of Him, and that man is the only creation of His to have a spirit. In other words man is the only creature on the planet with a will, or, the only creature that can choose for himself. The Bible also says that man was made perfect, the biblical term for someone that is perfect is someone who has summited their will, or what they want to do, to God and is constantly seeking to stay in that relationship with him. David was said to be perfect and yet he sinned, so is the bible contradicting itself? NO! Even though David sinned he repented and begged God not to cast him away but to return to that relationship that they had before.

gettin ahead of ourselves. david may have been a king, and a charismatic leader too, but the heroes in the bible are repeatedly depicted as following Gods will, regardless of their being perfect---the implication? that we must follow Gods will, regardless of our perfection, and we will be immortalized in prose. the question of course has always been--HOW do we determine the will of God? shall we listen to this or that preacher? this or that imam? this or that rabbi?---who? What scripture?

If every scripture was written by man, interpreted by man, and man is imperfect (as we have established) then how can any man or scripture be foolproof to follow?
answer: it cannot, so we must all follow the dictates of our hearts, for thats where God (and no man) can see alone. so the examples of the heroes in the bible (and other books) are there to show us that God will communicate with us in His own way. Thus---establishing that the bible does in fact support the view that everyone must have their own relationship with God personally.

The tree of knowledge of good and evil was Gods way to let man choose if they wanted to stay in that perfect relationship with God or if they want to leave that relationship. Adam and Eve of course eat that fruit and their eyes were opened, they realized they really could place something else at the center of their lives other than God. I believe that is why they realized they were naked.

their eyes were opened, and they 'became mortal' because they came to realize their own mortality, not because they were immortal before. their nakedness also is revealed to them because they were now intelligent, moral and modest, not ignorant like the animals.this didnt happen overnight, remember, this is just an allegory. a myth. its the symbolism thats important.

God said that after man sinned they would die, God also cursed the ground after they sinned and made life hard. Why did he do this? So that men would hate the world and seek after something else. We have already seen what men have done to each other with a limited time here on earth, men are evil. Even if you say you are not evil because you have never killed anyone think of it this way. If you have chosen to disobey God in anyway shape or form you are just as bad as a murderer. Here is the reason for why I say this: God is the ONLY guard against sin, it is by his grace that the world is not already a living hell, when you chose to disobey him you are purposefully removing the same safety feature that that murderer did. The only thing that is separating you from him is that circumstance.

then why did God create the world and call it "good" in the beginning of genesis? this hatred of the world is of mans own making, not gods.

Well I am in high-school so I have to get to work. I know what I have said so far can be picked apart because it really is incomplete and is still resting on the Bible which you still don't believe. I would just like to say that if you don't believe that the OT is correct you are making a logical faulisy thinking that you can believe the NT is correct. The NT is build on the OT.... if you don't believe me study the Bible.

it can be picked apart even if you believe in the bible, or believe it has a different meaning. you will learn young padawan, that myths can be made to mean many things, and thats their power. when you adhere to just one strict interpretation of meaning then you miss all the possible applications of understanding.

P.S. The bible was carried orally by the jewish people for years. This would seem totally ludicrous to us because we are so dependent on written documents. The Torah was and Is everything to them.

I will try to finish this later... pick it apart, let me know what you think.

true, the torah was an oral tradition for centuries before written down, which is why there are variations of the same stories in the bible--example: two creation stories, one in which adam and eve were created at the same time, one in which they were created separately. two flood stories--one in which there were two of each animal saved (gen 6:19), one in which there were divided into clean and unclean---the clean were gathered in sevens, unclean by twos (gen 7:2)....which is the real story? answer: neither, they are BOTH myths. just like the flood myth the greeks had, or the chaldeans, or the egyptians. all myths. but whats important is not whether you believe in their literal truth or not, whats important is...how does it help you be a better person?

if it helps you to follow the example of christ, then by all means believe whatever you want to believe. but if it makes you hate someone else who doesnt believe as you do, then....isnt it a destructive belief to have? and counterproductive to being more like christ?

peace

[Jayell]

Originally Posted by Autodidact

Why is that destructive? btw, you know that among the world's religions, this is an extreme minority view?

I know! That is why Jesus said, "Narrow is the way to Heaven and FEW will find it.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Heneni

Im not trying to address the fact that some people try to speak on gods behalf. I was trying to stay on topic. If the bible was written by humans, who wanted to actually control the massas, they would NOT have included...

'fear no man' and
'dont call anybody father'

hence, my conclusion is that the bible was not completely inspired by humans and can therefore not be completely false.

Then I say your conclusion is based upon ratification of your beliefs and not honest research.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Jayell

I know! That is why Jesus said, "Narrow is the way to Heaven and FEW will find it.

Wow.
That has got to be the single worst justification I have ever heard on RF.

Though I freely admit that I have not read every single post in every single thread.

[Riverwolf]

Originally Posted by Autodidact

If they ever existed. (highly doubtful)

Does it matter? Don't you compare real life to fictional stories and fireside tales? I believe the story of Adam and Eve to be purely fictional, but just because a story is fiction doesn't erase its releavance.

Originally Posted by Autodidact

Well, most of us make a distinction between killing people and other creatures. Otherwise we'd all be vegetarian.

Plants are the same. It doesn't matter what you do, in order to survive, you have to either kill yourself or pay someone to give you what he or she has killed. You have to eat things that were alive once. This is a Law. If you kill something that never had life, then you will not absorb it. But it's not bad. Killing in itself isn't "bad" in my eyes. (to me, "good" and "bad" are man-made and have no place whatsoever in reality) Now, killing for sport... that's what the Bible calls murder.

And yes, I'm an island in a vast ocean, in that I view all life as children of Gaia, all equal, regardless of size or scientific category. Therefore, I view the bacteria that causes strep throat on the same level as a human. In order to survive, I have to take the antibiotics, which kills the bacteria. Law of the jungle, Auto. Law of the jungle.

Originally Posted by Autodidact

I agree. All Gods are bad.

But is "bad" really a truth? Or is it made up?

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Riverwolf

But is "bad" really a truth? Or is it made up?

neither.
It is subjective.