Why I think a lot of the Bible is False - Page 11

rocketman · #**101** 08-09-2008, 12:06 AM

Even if we don't resort to symbolism or allegory, the story of Cain need not be illogical if one takes a careful reading of the verses.

Two principles that stick out to me are these: firstly, we are only told about the people we reasonably need to know about (see Gen5:4 for example), and secondly, I don't believe that after having been told "be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth.." that Adam and his wife would have only had two kids in a 130 year period before Seth popped out. C'mon folks, we are supposed to read between the lines here.

We could make a strong argument that Cain was the firstborn, but we cannot make the same argument that Abel was the second born, only that he was born after Cain, and we only seem to be told about his existence so we can understand what happened next between he and his older brother.

In any case, even if there were just three after the death of Abel, it may well have been that Cain feared that his parents and/or any future offspring they produce might have a go at him. I think we would all be pretty tense around our Dad if we just killed one of his other kids, yes?

Here is a very bizzare Jewish take on the story if anyone is interested. Remember, I said it was bizarre.

sandy whitelinger · #**102** 08-13-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Autodidact

So you're saying that God, as described in the OT, did not kill every human being on earth except one family? Did not kill every first-born child in Egypt? Did not command his followers to commit genocide, repeatedly, being sure to kill all the babies?

Thats a non-sequitor.

sandy whitelinger · #**103** 08-13-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunstone

So babies aren't innocent?

Presumably so but evidentially not.

Autodidact · #**104** 08-18-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sandy whitelinger

Thats a non-sequitor.

sandy, I'm not following you. I say that God has committed atrocities. You say He hasn't. I say but didn't he repeatedly command genocide? You say that's a non sequitor. Why? Isn't genocide an atrocity?

Autodidact · #**105** 08-18-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sandy whitelinger

Presumably so but evidentially not.

And this, in a nutshell, is one of the most evil aspects of Christian theology; they believe that little newborn babies are evil. Therefore, killing them is justified, because combating evil is a good thing. Ack!I mean, if little babies aren't innocent, what is?

Riverwolf · #**106** 08-18-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Autodidact

And this, in a nutshell, is one of the most evil aspects of Christian theology; they believe that little newborn babies are evil. Therefore, killing them is justified, because combating evil is a good thing. Ack!I mean, if little babies aren't innocent, what is?

And the funny thing is, I don't think that's mentioned anywhere in the Bible.

Jayell · #**107** 08-18-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Autodidact

And this, in a nutshell, is one of the most evil aspects of Christian theology; they believe that little newborn babies are evil. Therefore, killing them is justified, because combating evil is a good thing. Ack!I mean, if little babies aren't innocent, what is?

We believe all humans are born sinners, which is true. You don't have to teach a child to be bad, he/she just is. It's natural; on the other hand we have to taught good behavior. For the most part christians are not baby killers, believe or not we are actaully against abortion.

Autodidact · #**108** 08-18-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayell

We believe all humans are born sinners, which is true. You don't have to teach a child to be bad, he/she just is. It's natural; on the other hand we have to taught good behavior.

And that is one of the things that is so evil about Christianity. That is just a horrible, dangerous and false belief. I can't express how wrong and destructive I think this belief is.

Autodidact · #**109** 08-18-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayell

We believe all humans are born sinners, which is true. You don't have to teach a child to be bad, he/she just is. It's natural; on the other hand we have to taught good behavior. For the most part christians are not baby killers, believe or not we are actaully against abortion.

What do you think about Christian President Bush's decision to kill a certain number of Iraqi baby sinners so he could depose their ruler?