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Old 07-01-2008, 10:32 PM
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No strawman......Yeshua said it not me.....This was his message...."The laws of old are to remain in effect. Follow them...everyone one, even the smallest. If you teach others to not follow them then you will not be blessed but if you teach others to keep the commandments all will be blessed........"
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Even so...I understand what you (trinitarians) believe. I'm simply stating the fact that...this is not something "ALL" christians believe nor is this some thing Yeshua taught... (He did not teach he was God nor did his followers think he was). he Book of Revelation is a prime example of how God and Yeshua are compltely separate.
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No strawman......Yeshua said it not me.....This was his message...."The laws of old are to remain in effect. Follow them...everyone one, even the smallest. If you teach others to not follow them then you will not be blessed but if you teach others to keep the commandments all will be blessed........"
I didn't say we didn't have to obey his commandments.

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Sorry this is not my opinion that is what is written in the Bible, That Jesus is a Worm, the bible calls Jesus a worm and you call him a God, suppose if both of you are right then is Jesus a Worm God,

These are not the only commandments of Jesus, Whatever Jesus did was a commandment and whatever he did not was a forbidden act. these commandments you have stated below is only what the church teaches simplify the commandments so that no one feel that Christianity is so hard to obsereve, it is basically for catching fish (in Missionary terms) what about adultry isnt that a commandment, how about murder, rape, homosexuality but no problem in order to gain profits we have allow Gay Bishops, so that we dont lose our gay customers

How can Moses & Muhammad be subordinates when all of us are worms. dont forget
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Sorry this is not my opinion that is what is written in the Bible, That Jesus is a Worm, the bible calls Jesus a worm and you call him a God, suppose if both of you are right then is Jesus a Worm God,
No nawab, you are just taking Scripture out of context. Here is the verse:

Job 25:4-6
4 How then can a man be righteous before God?
How can one born of woman be pure? 5 If even the moon is not bright
and the stars are not pure in his eyes,
6 how much less man, who is but a maggot—
a son of man, who is only a worm!"



Bidad was saying that because human are sinful, we are worms. Jesus was without sin and perfect. The only thing that is perfect is God. So Jesus, being conceived by God and Mary makes Jesus God incarnate. The Jews had to sacrifice a year old lamb without blemish to atone for their sins. This foreshadowed what Jesus did on the cross. Now that He has done that, we no longer need to sacrifice lambs because He was the sacrificial Lamb of God.



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These are not the only commandments of Jesus, Whatever Jesus did was a commandment and whatever he did not was a forbidden act.
Not forbidden, but commanded by God.
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these commandments you have stated below is only what the church teaches simplify the commandments so that no one feel that Christianity is so hard to obsereve, it is basically for catching fish (in Missionary terms) what about adultry isnt that a commandment, how about murder, rape, homosexuality but no problem in order to gain profits we have allow Gay Bishops, so that we dont lose our gay customers
LOL!!! You are right. Some church that claim to follow Jesus do some crazy things, but they are not true Christian Churches. Do you understand.

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How can Moses & Muhammad be subordinates when all of us are worms. dont forget
Jesus is the Son of God, not a worm. Please do not say that again.
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I am not saying Jesus is a worm its your bible, either you dont understand English or i dont when it says how can one be born pure that is of woman isnt Jesus born of a woman, plus why did it says that the son of man is a worm. Of course I understand it does not mean literally its and eastern way of expression. like i might be the Greatest emperor of this earth but to show my humbleness i would say what am i infront of God I am just a worm/rat you know to show my humbleness.

Jesus does not sound like a sacrifical Lamb but rather a Scape goat, He himself many times say that the words you hear are not mine, but the father who sent me. He was not the higest authority but The God Almighty of the universe
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I am not saying Jesus is a worm its your bible, either you dont understand English or i dont when it says how can one be born pure that is of woman isnt Jesus born of a woman, plus why did it says that the son of man is a worm. Of course I understand it does not mean literally its and eastern way of expression. like i might be the Greatest emperor of this earth but to show my humbleness i would say what am i infront of God I am just a worm/rat you know to show my humbleness.
I understand, but to refer to the Messiah as a worm metaphorically or not is not polite.

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Some people do use Jesus as an escape goat. The Bible says that those people will punished for doing so.
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Yeah, because if anyone did that with there prophet they'd be up in arm.
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Show me in the original greek where it says "Lord God". I'll give you a hint.....It doesn't. It depends on what greek version your translating from. This is why people say your book is corrupted. Translators playing silly games like this fooling people such as yourself. Examining multiple greek versions not all of them said "Lord God" some of them just said "Lord."

All it shows here, and might I remind you..you keep quoting this verse, is that you really don't understand Revelation. Multiple "people" are speaking here or are being spoken of (described) in this book. We've gone through a lot of this in another thread. It is commonly agreed that in that book "The Lamb" is explicitly in reference to Yeshua The Messiah. If this is true, and scholars all agree it is, then there is a fundamental difference than Yeshua (The Lamb) and God (Who sits on the throne receiving praise).

Revelation 1:1-2
 1 This is a revelation from Yeshua the Messiah, which God gave him concerning the events that will happen soon. An angel was sent to God's servant John so that John could share the revelation with God's other servants.

If Yeshua is God then after the supposed ascension he should not be viewed as two beings. John receives (the revelation) FROM Yeshua, (NOT GOD)...but this revelation was GIVEN to Yeshua FROM God concerning FUTURE events. One being doing the giving and another is receiving. God does not have to give something to himself. It is illogical.

 2 John faithfully reported the word of God and the testimony of Yeshua the Messiah--everything he saw.

John reports the word of God and Yeshua testifies (confirms or validates) it.

Rev. 3:12
 All who are victorious will become pillars in the Temple of my God, and they will never have to leave it. And I will write my God's name on them, and they will be citizens in the city of my God--the new Jerusalem that comes down from heaven from my God. And they will have my new name inscribed upon them.

The verses above are strictly related to Yeshua (The Lamb). This is where he explicitly informs