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Old 07-01-2008, 09:37 PM
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when we tell you he is a Man only, we are also not following clever invented stories,

Acts 2:22 - Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Job 25:4-6 - How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman? Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight.
How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?

Pls explain these verses since i dont doubt the validity of the Bible, the topic is not Bible I understand that christians do not take oath on the bible literally. I know that we are saying who loves Jesus more. as Jesus himself said John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me

Let us compare generally do muslism keep commandments or the Christians keep commandments you know what forget Muslims, I think the Jews are better Christians than the Christians themselves since they can be more qualified in loving Jesus since he said keep the commandments if you love Jesus, the Jews and Muslims keep commandments. If you want to love jesus you have to keep the commandments, so elevating someone to a God is not a criteria of love but rather do anything he ordained and forbid anything he disapprove is really Love.
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What about the 12+ legions of angels? Did you even read my post?
Yep and that had nothing to do with the fact that the disciples were told by him to sell what they had and purchase swords. They brought the swords they had for protection. Specifically the protection of Yeshua. As they moved forward to arrest him a follower carrying a sword and did what????? Used his sword to protect Yeshua and in the process cut off the ear of the priest. Regardless of whatever prophecy or the statement made after the ear cutting incident...those guys brought weapons to protect him.....


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Choppin' broccoli!
Must have been some mighty big brocoli.....
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Technically, I can only speak for myself. Rule #8 I believe.

Then it is not the christian "definition says that the Messiah is shares deity with the Father and the Holy Spirit."........on a whole......
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when we tell you he is a Man only, we are also not following clever invented stories,

Acts 2:22 - Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth,
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a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Job 25:4-6 - How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman? Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight.
How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?

Pls explain these verses since i dont doubt the validity of the Bible, the topic is not Bible I understand that christians do not take oath on the bible literally. I know that we are saying who loves Jesus more. as Jesus himself said John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me

Let us compare generally do muslism keep commandments or the Christians keep commandments you know what forget Muslims, I think the Jews are better Christians than the Christians themselves since they can be more qualified in loving Jesus since he said keep the commandments if you love Jesus, the Jews and Muslims keep commandments. If you want to love jesus you have to keep the commandments, so elevating someone to a God is not a criteria of love but rather do anything he ordained and forbid anything he disapprove is really Love.


Shucks....John 14:21 wasn't clear enough.

Matthew 5:18-19
 18 I assure you, until heaven and earth disappear, even the smallest detail of God's law will remain until its purpose is achieved.

19 So if you break the smallest commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God's laws and teaches them will be great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Sounds clear to me.....
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when we tell you he is a Man only, we are also not following clever invented stories,

Acts 2:22 - Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Let's read a little further.
Acts 2:22-36 (NIV)
22"Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. 25David said about him:
" 'I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.
26Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will live in hope,
27because you will not abandon me to the grave,
nor will you let your Holy One see decay.
28You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence.'
29"Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay. 32God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact. 33Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,
" 'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
35until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet." '
36"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."



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Job 25:4-6 - How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman? Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight.
How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?


This was Bidad's opinion and hyperbole that man pails in significance to God. Jesus preexisted before all humans so your analogy doesn't hold water.




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Pls explain these verses since i dont doubt the validity of the Bible, the topic is not Bible I understand that christians do not take oath on the bible literally.


Some more than others.



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I know that we are saying who loves Jesus more. as Jesus himself said John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me
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Let us compare generally do muslism keep commandments or the Christians keep commandments you know what forget Muslims, I think the Jews are better Christians than the Christians themselves since they can be more qualified in loving Jesus since he said keep the commandments if you love Jesus, the Jews and Muslims keep commandments. If you want to love jesus you have to keep the commandments, so elevating someone to a God is not a criteria of love but rather do anything he ordained and forbid anything he disapprove is really Love.
1) One of his commandment was to follow him/Jesus.
2) Jesus can forgive sins.
3) Jesus sits at the Fathers right hand.
4) Moses and Muhammad are subordinates to Jesus and the Father.
5) Who are we to judge our Masters servants.
6) We did not elevate Jesus to God's level, God the Father did.
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Then it is not the christian "definition says that the Messiah is shares deity with the Father and the Holy Spirit."........on a whole......
Since you didn't bother the first time, here it is again!

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see i told you Christians can never answer these questions no matter how hard they try
Please!!! Your lack of patience is your folly.
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