isa (as) /jesus(pbuh)

[ayani]

Abu ~ thank you very much for your kind, and open-hearted words. they mean a lot to me. thank you, and God bless you, too.

so far as what the term "Son of God" means to me, it means a number of things. Jesus call Himself "Son of Man", meaning He is a person, a man. in other words, of humans- not an angel, a spirit, or anything like that. he ate, slept, made footprints in the dust when He walked, ect. in light of that, "Son of God" can be read as also "of God", just as the former means "of man". i believe that Jesus certainly was of God- His words of truth, His miracles, and His fulfillment of prophecy testify to this.

"Son of God" for me also means just that- He was God's beloved Son. the question should not be "does God need a Son", but rather "do we need God's Son, as a Saviour, Teacher, Light, and Rock"? Christians would resoundingly answer "yes", and this is why God sent Him. now, Islamically, in the Quran's narrative, Jesus is not Yusef's son. He was conceived by the power of God's Holy Spirit, called "ruh quddus" in Arabic. so who is Jesus' Father, as it were? Mary bore Him in her womb, but a womb is not capable of creating life by itself- biologically, it needs male seed. miraculously, in the case of Jesus, the power of life that would have been natural male seed was God's Holy Spirit, hence the miracle of the virgin birth.

the man from whom the male seed comes, is called the child's father. so, if God's miraculous power was the spark that caused Jesus to be conceived in Mary's womb... logically, God is Jesus' Father. that makes sense to me, honestly.

[ayani]

Abu, the "laws of Allah", from a Christian perspective, contradict very much the things that God has spoken, commanded, and revealed through Jesus. i will say that much.

Muhammad may have been a messenger, but as a Christian, i do not believe he can possibly be the a messenger of the same True God who sent Jesus. and that's not only because my faith and focus is on Jesus, but because of the many contradictions between Jesus' teachings, and what is said in the Quran and the hadith.

thank you, Abu, for your patience and kindness, and prayers. i do pray along similar lines, and i give thanks to God for the faith i now profess and live by, with God's help. i am thankful also for you, and for your kindness, and brotherly support. God bless you, too.

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by ayani

Abu ~ thank you very much for your kind, and open-hearted words. they mean a lot to me. thank you, and God bless you, too.

Welcome my dear sis.

so far as what the term "Son of God" means to me, it means a number of things. Jesus call Himself "Son of Man", meaning He is a person, a man. in other words, of humans- not an angel, a spirit, or anything like that. he ate, slept, made footprints in the dust when He walked, ect. in light of that, "Son of God" can be read as also "of God", just as the former means "of man". i believe that Jesus certainly was of God- His words of truth, His miracles, and His fulfillment of prophecy testify to this.

"Son of God" for me also means just that- He was God's beloved Son. the question should not be "does God need a Son", but rather "do we need God's Son, as a Saviour, Teacher, Light, and Rock"? Christians would resoundingly answer "yes", and this is why God sent Him. now, Islamically, in the Quran's narrative, Jesus is not Yusef's son. He was conceived by the power of God's Holy Spirit, called "ruh quddus" in Arabic. so who is Jesus' Father, as it were? Mary bore Him in her womb, but a womb is not capable of creating life by itself- biologically, it needs male seed. miraculously, in the case of Jesus, the power of life that would have been natural male seed was God's Holy Spirit, hence the miracle of the virgin birth.

the man from whom the male seed comes, is called the child's father. so, if God's miraculous power was the spark that caused Jesus to be conceived in Mary's womb... logically, God is Jesus' Father. that makes sense to me, honestly.

Then, using the same logic you use, can we say that God was the father and mother as well for Adam? "God forbid"!

Allah doesn't need to use a "seed" from any male, because he can create anything out of nothing, He is God, if you know what it really mean to be "God", the creator.

(BE and it's BEEN).

Abu, the "laws of Allah", from a Christian perspective, contradict very much the things that God has spoken, commanded, and revealed through Jesus. i will say that much.

Muhammad may have been a messenger, but as a Christian, i do not believe he can possibly be the a messenger of the same True God who sent Jesus.

Are the God of the OT and the God of the NT the same one then?

and that's not only because my faith and focus is on Jesus, but because of the many contradictions between Jesus' teachings, and what is said in the Quran and the hadith.

That's really so obvious, because you chose to believe the bible, and i chose to believe the Quran.

thank you, Abu, for your patience and kindness, and prayers. i do pray along similar lines, and i give thanks to God for the faith i now profess and live by, with God's help. i am thankful also for you, and for your kindness, and brotherly support. God bless you, too.

God bless you too, sister, for you have been and still a very close and dear to me, and i'm really happy that you chose something which your soul and heart don't struggle with, and i wish that both, you and me, would follow the most lovable path, not only to us, but to Allah on the first place, for all our worship would be meaningless if we just followed what we want to follow, not what we suppose to follow.

May Allah guide our souls to the right path.

[MidnightBlue]

Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

I think no need to go off-topic.

I can't imagine a response that would more on-topic, or more appropriate, than pointing out the hubris and stupidity of the question.

Originally Posted by Mike182

given the histories of blood shed and persecution, i would have to say "non of the above".

Jesus is supposed to have said, "If you love me, keep my commandments." It seems to me that anybody who thinks he can prove his group loves Jesus more because they have the most correct beliefs about Jesus has already lost the contest.

[Rolling_Stone]

Originally Posted by yousaf

which group muslims or christians actually love him more and show him more respect

Simple answer: The group that doesn't go around blowing themselves up to kill others.

Another answer: the group that doesn't regard others as "second class."

[tariqkhwaja]

Ms. Ayani if you, too, are going to leave the topic to me then why don't you join the "Death (not on the cross) of Jesus Christ" thread. I have already hit two "punches" there and if I must say so myself they are pretty stiff punches.

I disagree with BOTH you and Abu Khalid on your concept of faith. Your concepts of faith seem more like blind faith to me and this is, in fact, common in all other religions of the world (except, I think, Mormons and Ahmadi Muslims). And I can see that it is blind faith that leads you both to argue for so long without any conclusion. Because both of you have blind faith.

I will start a new thread on this.

And Rolling Stone, I agree with you on both counts.

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by tariqkhwaja

I have already hit two "punches" there and if I must say so myself they are pretty stiff punches.

Sheesh!

I disagree with BOTH you and Abu Khalid on your concept of faith. Your concepts of faith seem more like blind faith to me

Yeah sure, and yours is the perfect faith ever! Wow

Arrogant assertions will not give you any credit ever. Go figure!

[yousaf]

isnt it the ahmadi muswlims being persecuted in muslim countries because they believe that there is a prophet after muhhhamad(saw) nauthubillah