Do People Need God? (church, God)

[Charity]

Originally Posted by logician

The answer is in my post, it's because belief in god very often stops the search for answers, I've seen it happen way too many times in people I know.

You didn't give me an answer on "do you believe that truth exists?"

[logician]

Originally Posted by Charity

You didn't give me an answer on "do you believe that truth exists?"

I would say as a single proposition no.

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by logician

I would say as a single proposition no.

Is that a single proposition?

[Kcnorwood]

For me & these are my personal thoughs. Because Christiany teaches that you can not do anything with out God it gives other the impresson that people who are Christians are weak minded.

[L0gic]

God is not a necessity of life, such as water, food, shelter, etc... . In that sense, god is not a basic need of life. People want a god, and after enough devotion, they give themselves or others the illusion that a god is needed. Christianity does have some teachings that involve a god being responsible for all of its followers' actions and results. It also gives the idea that wrong-doings can be forgiven and one is then free from "sin", which itself, is an illusion as there is no marking on someone, no tag, nothing that indicates one is a sinner. To me, the idea of being a christian is somewhat unappealing as it tends to give me the impression that some of them are intentionally lowering themselves. That being said, I don't like the christian belief and its teachings, however, one should not draw conclusions of its followers. Some may be weak-minded, however, that will occur in every belief. For me, I don't like the christian belief, however, my decisions on its followers is reserved until I communicate with them.

So, to answer the question of this thread, do people need a god? It will depend on your definition of "need". If you mean as a necessity for life, then no. If you mean as they want a god to believe in for whatever reason(s), then yes.

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by L0gic

God is not a necessity of life, such as water, food, shelter, etc... . In that sense, god is not a basic need of life. People want a god, and after enough devotion, they give themselves or others the illusion that a god is needed. Christianity does have some teachings that involve a god being responsible for all of its followers' actions and results. It also gives the idea that wrong-doings can be forgiven and one is then free from "sin", which itself, is an illusion as there is no marking on someone, no tag, nothing that indicates one is a sinner. To me, the idea of being a christian is somewhat unappealing as it tends to give me the impression that some of them are intentionally lowering themselves. That being said, I don't like the christian belief and its teachings, however, one should not draw conclusions of its followers. Some may be weak-minded, however, that will occur in every belief. For me, I don't like the christian belief, however, my decisions on its followers is reserved until I communicate with them.

So, to answer the question of this thread, do people need a god? It will depend on your definition of "need". If you mean as a necessity for life, then no. If you mean as they want a god to believe in for whatever reason(s), then yes.

People believe that you could not exist were it not for god... so to them your rambling.

I dont see a need or want of god. I do see einsteins point though regarding free will and perhaps we do need a god... Left to our devices we may be horrid people. Remember the sole purpose some are moral is because god said to be... heh.

Anyways...

[tariqkhwaja]

Assalamualaikum.

The Quran often presents analogies of physical occurrences to try and make us understand spiritual occurrences. One such analogy is:
[86:12] By the cloud which gives rain repeatedly
[86:13] And by the earth which opens out with herbage.

You see one can work as hard as possible. But there are too many external factors that influence the work that we do. If we are not lucky enough for those factors to come together we really can not achieve our goals.

The verses above illustrate this viewpoint. A farmer might spend days and nights irrigating his fields and aligning his crops. He might spray them with the correct amount of pesticide to keep the germs away. Or cut any crops that might ruin other crops. A farmer might align the field proportionately and daily check and confirm all that is to be checked and confirmed in this relation. Yet if it does not rain the farmer’s work will go to vain.

Wells can dry up. Rivers can wash away. There is no denying that all the hard work of a farmer can go to waste if there is no rain. Try as he might a farmer can not influence the occurrence of rain on his land. And what if it floods?

A deeper analysis into our daily works of life reveals that just as a farmer is dependant on rain, we are dependant on an infinite amount of uncontrollable factors for the fruits of our labor. One also finds during such an analysis that despite this heavy dependence on outside factors our hard work usually pays off. Meaning that most of the time the external factors work as we would like them to. That is, we are really lucky. We are lucky that those electrons never spin out of orbit. Or that the protons are bound to the nucleus. That it does rain now and then. That bacterium does decompose dead bodies to yield fertile land. That the law of gravity does not collapse. That our eyes continue to function. But it can not be denied that that usually good and occasionally bad luck influences the final product far more than our hard work ever can.

In the next verse it is said.
[86:14] Surely, the Qur'an is a decisive word.

The Quran thus draws our attention to the fact that just as is in the material world, in the spiritual world too we require the assistance of God. We can try as hard to find using our faculties of reasoning the truth. But limited as they are we cannot come to the correct conclusions without spiritual rain and assitance from God in the form of revelation, miracles, etc. The Quran points to itself in the verse and says
[86:15] And it is not a vain talk.

And that, my friends, is just one (or maybe two) reason(s) why we need God.

[Bishadi]

god is a number of an eqeution without it the eqeution can't be solved yet
atheist believe that the eqeution is flawed
religious people keep it around because they can't replace it with something els
philosofers try to find another number that can replace it so the eqeution works

So you understand the NAME of God is represented in true understanding; math, the universal language!

All mass, all energy, all time; One

Which means no measurement of one portion can be perfected without the the other 2.

Originally Posted by zenzero

Friends,
We are a part of god itself.
So we do not need another god of gods.
we need god when we are seperated.
this seperation itself is the illusion caused by our very own mind [THE SATAN] [The bibical story of the satan telling Adam & Eve to eat the apple of knowledge is nothing but the mind sperating us from god.
That is the very reason all enlightened people agree that one has not achived anything or gone nowhere. One is already there just have to realise that.
Love & rgds

How can anyone post past this ABSOLUTE TRUTH!

Zenzero........ I bow to your birth, please put your head into a copy machine and hit 6 billion......... otherwise you are simply ONE within the 144k.... multiply your wisdoms and live within the gifts you convey..... Love in the purest is to give of your knowledge (true wisdom) for the next..... i.e. see most parents... they share to the next generation with the intent that the next has a chance they often did not have....

[Rolling_Stone]

Originally Posted by zenzero

Friends,
We are a part of god itself.
So we do not need another god of gods.
we need god when we are seperated.
this seperation itself is the illusion caused by our very own mind [THE SATAN] [The bibical story of the satan telling Adam & Eve to eat the apple of knowledge is nothing but the mind sperating us from god.
That is the very reason all enlightened people agree that one has not achived anything or gone nowhere. One is already there just have to realise that.
Love & rgds

Separation is an illusion? In a sense, but whom should we say is saying this?