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Old 05-26-2008, 05:52 PM
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Then you are you saying that there is the possibility that there are some real answers concerning God? The reason you don't search for answers is that you don't want to be out ot your comfort zone?

Could you please explain why you think that belief in God weakens the mind? Could you answer one other question please, do you believe that truth exists? In the event we find that there is truth it would lead us to the conclusion that we need God who is our truth.


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The answer is in my post, it's because belief in god very often stops the search for answers, I've seen it happen way too many times in people I know.
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The answer is in my post, it's because belief in god very often stops the search for answers, I've seen it happen way too many times in people I know.
How does that follow from "it weakens the mind"?
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How does that follow from "it weakens the mind"?
Anything that stops analytical thinking weakens the mind. I know very few religious people that analyze what they believe, particularly in a general sense.
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Anything that stops analytical thinking weakens the mind. I know very few religious people that analyze what they believe, particularly in a general sense.
And yet you expressed a belief that "death is defined by die..." and "to die is defined by death" was a perfectly okay circular definition. Does such a circle, too, "weaken the mind" by stopping analytical thinking?
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Odd question... There is no god... Do people need the idea of god? That is an all powerful being obsessed with their personal and moral behavior? perhaps.
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In what sense or way, if any, do people need a god?
Well to start with, our existence depends on God, so we need him in order to be able to ask the question. We need God in order to not believe in him. Since if he did not exist, we would not be around to disbelieve. We need him to give us breath from day to day. We need him for eternal salvation. We need him to be happy, whether we recognize him as the source of happiness or not.

Obviously, I answer the question from the point of view of one who believes in a loving God who created the universe and mankind and has a purposeful plan for our happiness.

The answer will likely mean nothing to an atheist. If were atheist, I would have to assume that people invented God out of some sort of human weakness or need to attach to something which does not exist, in order to help them cope with life. If I were atheist, I would say that it's bad to believe in something that does not exist, even if there is some redeeming value to such a dillusion.

So, before we can make any sense of the question "do we need God", we first have to establish if God exists. If he does, then we need him. If he does not, then we don't.

I believe God exists and therefore, we need him.
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We need God in order to not believe in him. Since if he did not exist, we would not be around to disbelieve.
We need Leprechauns! Since if they didnt exist then we would not be around to disbelieve in them!

And the leprechauns need unicorn horns. Since without powdered unicorn horns the leprechauns could not exist and the leprechauns would thus not be around to not believe in the unicorns.

And the unicorns need the flying spaghetti monster because without his pastafarian noodles of magic the unicorns would never have been willed into existance. Since as we know all Energy is FINITE and thus must have come from somewhere. Thus the Pasta monster created all the finite energy.

What is the pasta monster made of... Well he, like space, is simply self infinitely curved in on itself thus allows for an infinite being.

How was he created? Where did he come from? Well he was not created. He is the one thing that doesnt need to be created. See only some things are created. Well everything is. But not the FSM. He/She/It has always been and always will be.

The FSM came from the FSM. He created himself. It is through him that the unicorns came and then the evil luciferean trolls that slaughted the unicorns and powdered their horns but still even though their evil, without those trolls there never could have been leprechauns and therefore we could never have been.

Anyways I hope that clears it up.
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And yet you expressed a belief that "death is defined by die..." and "to die is defined by death" was a perfectly okay circular definition. Does such a circle, too, "weaken the mind" by stopping analytical thinking?
You seem to be in a feisty mood as of late.
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