Is Jesus a golden calf? (Jesus Christ, ritual, reject, Earth)

[Scuba Pete]

I must have missed the part where Jesus became a military leader and went into battle for Israel.

And he is leading us to this day! Our Lord defeated even Death and leads forth the army of a Spiritual Israel against the forces of darkness.

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

I just went down the requirements and failed to see the one he didn't fulfill. Maybe you could point this out... but a new thread may be appropriate for that discussion.

I already started a thread discussing whether or not Jesus was a Jewish Messiah

Evidence that Jesus was the Messiah

[Khale]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

OK,

I just went down the requirements and failed to see the one he didn't fulfill. Maybe you could point this out... but a new thread may be appropriate for that discussion.

I would like to point out that the Messiah that the Jews had been hoping for would lead them to victory and establish them as the supreme race. This is not at all what Jesus did his followers were persecuted and the only thing he told them to do was to allow it to happen. The jewish messiah would have fought back and conquered those who had wronged them. I would also like to point out that they were speaking of victory literally in the physical world. None of this kingdom in heaven stuff that is prevalent today. (jewscout and goodjewishboy stop me if I've got this wrong)

As for the question at hand... that predicates that Jesus was either a loon or a liar. Or that his followers completely misrepresented what he said, and so the same can be said about them. I see no reason to accept any of those premises.

The question was not wether or not Jesus was or his followers were crazy. It was simply trying to see wether or not his followers made him into something he was not. The reason to accept the premise of this question is that it has happened before. In fact, if i understand correctly, it had happened many times before in the ancient world. It still happens today as well. There are people who worship Bob Marley as God because he played good music. It is not hard to believe that a radical person like Jesus could have been elevated like that.

The problem with “what if” questions, is that they go past any logical progression and bypass the real reasons for disbelief.

What if questions also create a better understanding of the faith in question. If you do not take the time to question your faith you will never truly understand it. If you never truly understand your faith it is inevitable that it will crumble under scrutiny.

You don't have to create a parallel philosophy in order to reject the Christ. Just say you don't believe and move on.

I am, quite frankly, appalled that you would tell me to denounce my religion because I had questions about it. Words like this are what taint the name of Christianity and turn people away.

[jewscout]

I would also like to point out that they were speaking of victory literally in the physical world. None of this kingdom in heaven stuff that is prevalent today. (jewscout and goodjewishboy stop me if I've got this wrong)

No i think you're right on the money!

[Scuba Pete]

I have to scoot Khale so I will make just one point...

I am, quite frankly, appalled that you would tell me to denounce my religion because I had questions about it. Words like this are what taint the name of Christianity and turn people away.

I would suggest that you have knowingly twisted my words here. Could it be that you don't want any answers that digress from your preconceptions?

You can't approach spiritual matters with your mind set dead on the physical. God is spirit and those who worship him must do so in spirit and in truth.

[HelpMe]

-He must be in the direct line of King David (Jeremiah 23:5)
-He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments. (Isaiah 11:2-5)

does anyone have a line back to king david?*also, i believe he was in line.

how will this be possible without a temple?

imo, no.

[Khale]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

I have to scoot Khale so I will make just one point...

I would suggest that you have knowingly twisted my words here. Could it be that you don't want any answers that digress from your preconceptions?

You can't approach spiritual matters with your mind set dead on the physical. God is spirit and those who worship him must do so in spirit and in truth.

Let's take a look at what I said:

Originally Posted by Khale

Is it possible that Jesus might have been a good prophet (as many people believe) that was turned into a deity by his followers?

Now let's take a look at your reply:

Originally Posted by NetDoc

You don't have to create a parallel philosophy in order to reject the Christ. Just say you don't believe and move on.

You just said that I created my question in order to reject Christ. You then followed by saying that I should Denounce him as my Lord and move on with my life. How on earth did I twist you words? Or did you sneakily hide some text elsewhere in your post? Could it be that your preconceptions are preventing you from looking at the original question with clear eyes?

[goodjewishboy]

Originally Posted by Khale

I would like to point out that the Messiah that the Jews had been hoping for would lead them to victory and establish them as the supreme race.

Judaism is not a race, we do not hold ourselves higher than any other people. The Messsianic age will bring about the redemption of all nations. I don't disagree with the rest of your post. I've had someone tell me that since I've rejected Jesus than I must believe he was crazy or a liar, problem is that I never accepted him in the frst place. I believe by elevating Jesus to divine status, his follwers made him into something he is not.

[Lintu]

Originally Posted by HelpMe

does anyone have a line back to king david?*also, i believe he was in line.

To be in line with David, he would have had to have a blood line relationship to David. This lineage must also go through Solomon. Even if Joseph was a descendant of David and Solomon, Jesus was not his biological son. Therefore, Jesus is not a descendant of David.

[HelpMe]

Originally Posted by Lintu

...Jesus was not his biological son. Therefore, Jesus is not a descendant of David.

there was a good reason for that.joseph's uncle or something inherited a curse from [yhwh].you don't have to be blood related to get to the throne, and he didn't have to be first in line.

sry for not having evidence to point to, if you doubt the curse i cited, request it and i'll get to it.