Please Explain how Joseph Smith could have possibly authored the Book of Mormon.

[misanthropic_clown]

Originally Posted by Starfish

And why is it doomed? Too much at stake.
He did quote long sections from Isaiah; no one denies that. There are also parts from the Sermon on the Mount. Again, no denial. Anyone could say those parts were copied, and that's reasonable.
But what about the rest? No one has been able to duplicate it such a feat.

Because as I said, even if it passes the objective tests of evidence pertaining to it being an extraordinary and unique work, there can still be subjective assertion concerning it being (divinely inspired/evilly inspired/lucky).

To persuade people of the objective element itself is very tough. To try and alter subjective opinion, next to impossible.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Starfish

Who ?

L. Ron Hubbard<--LINK

Plus we can't forget:

Mohammad

[Mestemia]

The thing is, Starfish, there are all manner of possible explanation for the how he came up with the Bom.
However, I for one do not believe that "possible explanation" means "this is the way it happened".

[Starfish]

Originally Posted by *Paul*

In my opinion, a lying spirit. The bible does mention them.

Originally Posted by Mestemia

Yes it makes sense to me.
Seems you have had a rather shelter life when it comes to the religious beliefs of others.


When did I say that?
You asked a question, I answered said question.
You really shouldn't jump to so many conclusions based upon your assumptions.


Well, if we are going to go down the "what if" path...
What if he was not actually the stupid retard your OP makes him out to be?


What if the evil spirit tricked him into thinking it was from god?
You have this nasty habit of jumping all around in the same post without any indication that you are swapping subjects.

MY post was about the intentions of the spirit(s), yet you have turned it into being about the intentions of your prophet.

Some mentioned "lying spirit", you say evil spirit, so that is how I came up with the devil. I assumed blaming lying and evil spirits is similar to blaming Satan. But whatever.

How am I jumping? I am just asking for a reasonable explanation of how he could have written it, and so far it's:
1. "evil/lying spirits".
2. Other people have done it, so it's not impossible.

Both answers have major problems.

[misanthropic_clown]

Indeed, Starfish, but what their arguments are fundamentally lacking is also something that is fundamentally lacking from proposing a divinely inspired BOM: an objective means of differentiation.

I respect what you are doing, but this is something that can only really work when in discussion with other Mormons, or those heavily familiar with Mormon doctrine.

[Starfish]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

L. Ron Hubbard<--LINK


Plus we can't forget:

Mohammad

Thank you for the links. I looked at both. But I don't quite see the comparison, other than they all started religions. The Koran is a complilation of Mohammad's writings (his revelations from God) which I suppose, could be compared to Joseph writing the Doctrine and Covenants. And L. Ron Hubbard, was older, had more resourses, had education. Nothing he did was unexplanable.

I have nothing against either of these men. I just don't see their writings as a good comparison.

[Starfish]

Originally Posted by misanthropic_clown

Indeed, Starfish, but what their arguments are fundamentally lacking is also something that is fundamentally lacking from proposing a divinely inspired BOM: an objective means of differentiation.

I respect what you are doing, but this is something that can only really work when in discussion with other Mormons, or those heavily familiar with Mormon doctrine.

I don't understand what you're saying.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Starfish

Some mentioned "lying spirit", you say evil spirit, so that is how I came up with the devil. I assumed blaming lying and evil spirits is similar to blaming Satan. But whatever.

How am I jumping? I am just asking for a reasonable explanation of how he could have written it, and so far it's:
1. "evil/lying spirits".
2. Other people have done it, so it's not impossible.

Both answers have major problems.

See post #35.