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#61
05-20-2008, 12:24 AM
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Fish Hunter
There are several religions on this forum that identify with the term Christian, and although I differ in my belief and I am sure that they probably would not agree with everything I believe I still have respect enough that I can love them, call them my brothers and sisters and live in harmony and peace with them....
My point is this, the only way you can be effective in what you are doing is to have a divine call from the Holy Spirit directing you to take this task on. If in deed the Holy Spirit has called you to this task, He will already be working ahead of you and have them ready to accept your message. Apparently this is not the case. The Bible states that God is not the author of confusion.....Just because you perceive that their beliefs are wrong, does not mean that it is advantageous that you rush to their door with your Bible in your hand, demanding they listen to you. When God is in control everything goes smoothly, when we take it on our self we mess it up everytime. You cannot win another Christian or non believer to your religion, especially if you attack and belittle someone you have defeated your purpose, by turning them off. I don't know any other reason why you would push so hard unless you want to show them the error of their ways. (she laughs thinking of the last thread that tried this same tactic) Maybe God wants them where they are, who are we to question someone's fellowship with God? Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. I know you mean well in your undertaking of this task, but when even people who claim no religious belief thinks your wrong,  To debate is one thing but to single out a specific group is an attack...Tact and diplomacy are good qualities. I am a fundamentalist and I believe the Bible cover to cover, I just happen to believe that we need to use wisdom and common sense when doing God's work.The same God that loves you, loves the LDS also Charity
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#62
05-20-2008, 07:11 AM
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 Seriously, the "silent majority" argument is another logical fallacy. If you want people to take you seriously, you might try harder to address these when they are pointed out. Do you want to be taken seriously? Do you think it might help you preach the Gospel of Christ if you were taken seriously? Paul tried to be all things to all people, pity you don't think much of his example. Deal with the category error pointed out by Orontes, and this discussion can move forward. Otherwise, you're just a TV set, and I'm one of the MST robots.
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#63
05-20-2008, 08:20 AM
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I appeal to you Charity to answer my questions...
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Your personal views are not shared by the majority of Protestants, Evangelicals, and Fundemantals that you have identified with. The majority of Christian only forum sites do not consider Mormons to be Christians, not allowing them to participate on their Christian forum sites. Would your pastors and church elders agree with your statement above? Do you mind sharing your church website? What do you think about these Bible verses below? Do you love God more than the praises of men? How well do you understand LDS Theology? Do you know they reject the Triune God that you worship? Do you know they reject the deity of Christ? Do you know they reject the Holy Bible as being the authorative Word of God? Do you know they deny the sufficiency of the person and work of Christ on your behalf? Do you know they teach that the Historic Christian Faith has been apostate for the last 1,800 years? Do you accept the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl or Great Price to be revelation from God, nullifying the truth of Biblical Revelation? Do you know that the official LDS proclamation of the gospel is different than the gospel proclaimed through Scripture alone? Do you believe that Joseph Smith to be a prophet from God, or do you consider him to be a false prophet? If you love ther Lord Jesus Christ revealed in the Holy Scriptures alone, please answer my questions. Ask God to enable you to take a similar attitude as the Apostle Paul: "Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ " What do you do when the Mormon missionaries come to you neighborhood? Do you fellowship with them, and embrace the message they share with your friends and neighbors? Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. - Jude 3 No Other Gospel I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ - Gal 1 2 Corinthians 11:4: For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." - John 4 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. - John 17:17 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. - Mat 7:21 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. - Mat 7:15 Here is a protestant link for your personal edification: Historic Church Documents at Reformed.org Do you understand the historical definiton of the words of Protestant, Fundemental, and Evangelical? Last edited by Fish-Hunter; 05-20-2008 at 09:34 AM.
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05-20-2008, 09:17 AM
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When Jesus lived thousands of years ago, were you there? When Jesus visited John Smith, were you there? Answer to both, nope. Why does it make you feel better about yourself when you put other belief's down?
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#65
05-20-2008, 09:38 AM
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Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me.
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2 Corinthians 10:5: We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. Job 38 - The LORD Speaks Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said: "Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone- while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy? "Who shut up the sea behind doors when it burst forth from the womb, when I made the clouds its garment and wrapped it in thick darkness, when I fixed limits for it and set its doors and bars in place, when I said, 'This far you may come and no farther; here is where your proud waves halt'? "Have you ever given orders to the morning, or shown the dawn its place, that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment. The wicked are denied their light, and their upraised arm is broken. "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep? Have the gates of death been shown to you? Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death? Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth? Tell me, if you know all this. "What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside? Can you take them to their places? Do you know the paths to their dwellings? Surely you know, for you were already born! You have lived so many years! "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow or seen the storehouses of the hail, which I reserve for times of trouble, for days of war and battle? What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed, or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth? Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain, and a path for the thunderstorm, to water a land where no man lives, a desert with no one in it, to satisfy a desolate wasteland and make it sprout with grass? Does the rain have a father? Who fathers the drops of dew? From whose womb comes the ice? Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens when the waters become hard as stone, when the surface of the deep is frozen? "Can you bind the beautiful Pleiades? Can you loose the cords of Orion? Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up God's dominion over the earth? "Can you raise your voice to the clouds and cover yourself with a flood of water? Do you send the lightning bolts on their way? Do they report to you, 'Here we are'? Who endowed the heart with wisdom or gave understanding to the mind? Who has the wisdom to count the clouds? Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens when the dust becomes hard and the clods of earth stick together? "Do you hunt the prey for the lioness and satisfy the hunger of the lions when they crouch in their dens or lie in wait in a thicket? Who provides food for the raven when its young cry out to God and wander about for lack of food?  "Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs?" - The Holy Bible Last edited by Fish-Hunter; 05-20-2008 at 09:52 AM.
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05-20-2008, 10:00 AM
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Nothing in your bible says the book of Mormon is wrong.
You and your preacher might say it's wrong but then neither of you has the knowledge of God, neither of you were there when God laid the earth's foundation, neither of you can give orders to the morning, and neither of you can bring forth the constellations. Is your congregation related to the Westboro Baptist Church?
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05-20-2008, 10:02 AM
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05-20-2008, 10:06 AM
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