Book of Mormon a copycat of the Holy Bible? (Jesus Christ, reject)

[OutOfTime]

i don't think he's saying that mormons reject christian deity. i think he means that your founder...joseph smith is the one who rejects deity, the guy who made mormonism didn't exaclty have christian beliefs is what he means. i'm willing to believe in a prophet like mohammad but not joseph smith considering how suspicious his story, ideas, and forming of the religion are.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

Joseph Smith was either a prophet of God, or a false prophet.

I can agree with this.
The thing is, you have not shown that he is a false prophet.

[DeepShadow]

Originally Posted by OutOfTime

i don't think he's saying that mormons reject christian deity.

Huh? Then why say, "Mormons reject the deity of Christ"? Why not say Joseph Smith rejected the deity of Christ?

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by OutOfTime

i don't think he's saying that mormons reject christian deity.

Excuse me? Of course that's what he is saying.

Post # 17 The Mormon Church denies the Triune God and the deity of Jesus Christ .

Post #151: I am like minded with historical Protestant Christians and do not accept Mormons as my brothers and sisters in Christ because they reject the Triune God and the deity of Christ according to the historical creeds that we share with Rome.

We are not Trinitarian Christians. We have never denied that and make no apology for it. Not accepting a 4th or 5th century creed is not the same thing as denying the deity of Jesus Christ. We have told Fish-Hunter time and time again that we believe Jesus Christ to be the fully divine Son of the living God and the only means by which we can be forgiven of our sins and reconciled to God. Our scriptures are focused on Him from beginning to end. Only a total idiot could read the hundreds of posts in which we have stated our belief and come away believing that we reject the deity of Christ. So is Fish-Hunter a total idiot or is he a liar? You tell me.

i think he means that your founder...joseph smith is the one who rejects deity, the guy who made mormonism didn't exaclty have christian beliefs is what he means.

Maybe you ought to go back and read some of the posts I just referred to. Just to give you some factual material to go on... (1) Joseph Smith did not reject deity. He spoke to Jesus Christ personally, and spent his his life in service to Him. He died because he would not deny what he knew to be true. (2) "The guy who made mormonism" was God. Be careful what you say about him. (3) You obviously have just about as much knowledge of what consitutes "Christian beliefs" as Fish-Hunter does. The two of you need to pool your resources. Two brain cells are better than one.

i'm willing to believe in a prophet like mohammad but not joseph smith considering how suspicious his story, ideas, and forming of the religion are.

So, who's asking you to believe? Incidentally, you obviously think you know a whole lot more about Joseph Smith and the beginnings of Mormonism than you really do. Your reference to that absolutely laughable video is proof of that.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

I had no idea the Roman Catholic Magestrium accepts Mormons as their brother and sisters in Christ.

Ummm.... you didn't ask that... you asked me if I do.

Do you mind posting official Roman Catholic sacred tradition which proclaims Mormons to be your brothers and sisters in Christ?

There is no such document... the Church does not recognize LDS baptisms as "valid"... but you should understand that "the decision of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is a response to a particular question regarding the Baptism of Mormons and obviously does not indicate a judgment on those who are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Furthermore, Catholics and Mormons often find themselves working together on a range of problems regarding the common good of the entire human race. It can be hoped therefore that through further studies, dialogue and good will, there can be progress in reciprocal understanding and mutual respect."(Fr Luis Ladaria, S.J. - L'Osservatore Romano, 8-01)

"All who seek truth seek God, whether this is clear to them or not" -Edith Stein

Hope that helps you understand.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

Historic Church Documents

Creeds

• The Apostles' Creed
• The Nicene Creed
• The Athanasian Creed
• The Definition of Chalcedon
• The Anathemas of the Second Council of Constantinople (553 A.D.)

You really have no idea about the history of the Christian faith outside of what you've read on that website.

From the Council of Chalcedon:
But there are those who are trying to ruin the proclamation of the truth, and through their private heresies they have spawned novel formulas:

• some by daring to corrupt the mystery of the Lord's economy on our behalf, and refusing to apply the word "God-bearer" to the Virgin; and

Does your faith refer to Mary as Theotokos?
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The fathers rightly accorded prerogatives to the see of older Rome, since that is an imperial city; and moved by the same purpose the 150 most devout bishops apportioned equal prerogatives to the most holy see of new Rome, reasonably judging that the city which is honoured by the imperial power and senate and enjoying privileges equalling older imperial Rome, should also be elevated to her level in ecclesiastical affairs and take second place after her.

Does your faith give the See of Rome honor above all others?
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From Pope Leo's letter, that is expressly mentioned in the Definition of the faith:

By not being pupils of the truth, they turn out to be masters of error. A man who has not the most elementary understanding even of the creed itself can have learnt nothing from the sacred texts of the New and Old Testaments.

Does your faith agree with the statement?

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

According to the historical creeds?

The Anathemas

of the

Second Council of Constantinople

(553 AD)

Have you even read ANY of the Council documents?

From the Second Council of Constantinople:

It is clear to all believers that when a problem about the faith comes up it is not only the heretical person who is condemned but also the person who is in a position to correct the heresy of others and fails to do so. To those of us to whom the task has been given of governing the church of the Lord, there comes a fear of the condemnation which threatens those who neglect to do the Lord's work.

Does your faith acknowledge that it is the task of the Church to govern the true faith and not the Scriptures alone?
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We confessed that we held to be condemned and anathematized all those who had been previously condemned and anathematized by the catholic church and by the aforesaid four councils.

Does your faith acknowledge the authority of the Church to anathemize those they judge to be heretics?
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Such then are the assertions we confess. We have received them from

1. holy Scripture, from
2. the teaching of the holy fathers, and from
3. the definitions about the one and the same faith made by the aforesaid four holy synods.

Does your faith acknowledge that the Councils received these teachings from the teaching of the holy fathers of the Church and not from Scripture alone?

Reformed=Historical? My aunt Fanny's arse they are!


.... I fully expect a MOUNTAIN of LDS frubals.... or I will anathemise the lot of ya!