Book of Mormon a copycat of the Holy Bible? (Jesus Christ, reject)

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by Scott1

So you don't use the NT?

Some protestant churches do not have a full NT but have scraps of the scriptures, like in China, they are just like the first church, all they have is the gospel they heard by which they believed and some scriptures. Read God's smuggler to China by Brother Andrew. The church once it had spread so far that it was impossible for them to be under the Apostles constant care were given the scriptures warning and rebuking them but also preparing them for the grevious wolves that would enter in. It makes sense then that what was written is what was necessary for salvation and preservation of the truth.

At least you admit it's your personal understanding at issue here.... cool.

As someone once said, I am bound by my conscience to the Word of God, here I stand I can do no other.

All of the things you mentioned have their foundation in Scripture... but maybe that's for another thread.

I'd like to see that.

That's my point... just like the LDS modern day doctrines, your faith rejects historical Christianty.

No it does not, it upholds the inspired historical accounts of Christianity and seeks to live by them, it also applauds and respects any historical teachings that uphold and expound on scripture but is wary of any departures from scripture.

Again, it's not a judgement... but an observation piqued by the attacks on the LDS by "Bible only" Christians.

We only attack systems and ideas not people, earnestly contending for the faith.

There is no escaping from the fact that the first church had nothing but the gospel, the Spirit filled life and two ordinances. Look at what your church has added. Paul warns the Galation church against judaizers for adding one command to the gospel - circumcision, the Catholic church has had 1700 years worth of additions for it's followers to carry on their backs.

[Fish-Hunter]

What Mormonism, Roman Catholicism, and other world religions have in common is the rejection of the sufficiency of the person and work of Christ on behalf of God's chosen ones. They all hate and rebel against a completly sovereign God who in Him there is no darkness at all. They all reject the authority of the Word of God above all things; therefore they all reject the sufficiency of the Holy Scriptures. I believe Mormonism, Roman Catholicism and other world religions have followed the spirit of this world and the deception of the popular god of religious pluralism. God revealed in the Holy Bible rules and reigns today, tomorrow, and forever regardless of the continued rebellion of mankind and their man-made religious attempts to nullify the sufficiency of person and work of Christ for the elect of God. Have a great weekend everyone!





Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints. - Ephesians 6

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

What Mormonism, Roman Catholicism, and other world religions have in common is the rejection of the sufficiency of the person and work of Christ on behalf of God's chosen ones. They all hate and rebel against a completly sovereign God who in Him there is no darkness at all.

That's because you don't understand it....

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that our justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men.... and this justification is brought about by GRACE..... Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life..... our will is indeed free, but we believe the fatherly action of God is first on his own initiative, and then follows man's free acting through his collaboration, so that the merit of good works is to be attributed in the first place to the grace of God, then to the faithful. Man's merit, moreover, itself is due to God, for his good actions proceed in Christ, from the predispositions and assistance given by the Holy Spirit.

... I'm fairly certain that complies with your personal belief that we should rely on the "sufficiency of the person and work of Christ".

Hey, we're all still learning... have a great weekend.

[Fish-Hunter]

Originally Posted by Scott1

That's because you don't understand it....

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that our justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men.... and this justification is brought about by GRACE..... Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life..... our will is indeed free, but we believe the fatherly action of God is first on his own initiative, and then follows man's free acting through his collaboration, so that the merit of good works is to be attributed in the first place to the grace of God, then to the faithful. Man's merit, moreover, itself is due to God, for his good actions proceed in Christ, from the predispositions and assistance given by the Holy Spirit.

... I'm fairly certain that complies with your personal belief that we should rely on the "sufficiency of the person and work of Christ".

Hey, we're all still learning... have a great weekend.

Maybe I do understand the official doctrines of Rome. A bad catholic, one who does not know the offical teachings of Rome is a good Catholic, one who I probably can embrace as a brother or sister in Christ. After-all, there is so much oral and written sacred tradition to weigh and study, on top of the Holy Bible. If you stacked all of the sacred tradition and compare it in size to the Holy Bible, sacred tradition probably makes up about 95% of the Roman Catholic Faith.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

A bad catholic, one who does know the offical teachings of Rome is a good Catholic, one who I probably can embrace as a brother or sister in Christ.

So you don't agree with the above teaching?

[Fish-Hunter]

Originally Posted by Scott1

So you don't agree with the above teaching?

I think the essential difference of Roman Catholicism and historical bibilical Chrisitianity is discerning how the person and work of Christ is received. I do not believe we receive the merits of Christ through eating the actual flesh of Christ and drinking his literal blood. Is the Roman Catholic church the tool and source to dispense the merits of Christ through the sacraments of Roman Catholic Church? Or are the merits of Christ received through faith, seperate and apart from the Roman Catholic Church. If the latter is true, then the Roman Catholic Church cannot be the One True Church.

[Katzpur]

I bet you learned something today, Scott. I bet for the first time in your life, you learned that you "hate and rebel against God." For some reason, in all the time you and I have been posting, agreeing on some things and disagreeing on others, I never picked up on the fact that you hate and rebel against God. Had you figured that out about me?

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Fish

I think the essential difference of Roman Catholicism and historical bibilical Chrisitianity is discerning how the person and work of Christ is received.

Amen

I do not believe we receive the merits of Christ through eating the actual flesh of Christ and drinking his literal blood.

Either do we.

Is the Roman Catholic church the tool and source to dispense the merits of Christ through the sacraments of Roman Catholic Church?

Nope

Or are the merits of Christ received through faith, seperate and apart from the Roman Catholic Church.

Yes

If the latter is true, then the Roman Catholic Church cannot be the One True Church.

Quite a leap.... you believe the true Church WOULD offer the merits of Christ in their sacraments?

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Originally Posted by Katzpur

I bet you learned something today, Scott. I bet for the first time in your life, you learned that you "hate and rebel against God." For some reason, in all the time you and I have been posting, agreeing on some things and disagreeing on others, I never picked up on the fact that you hate and rebel against God. Had you figured that out about me?

Hehe.... a least he has dropped the whole "Golly gee.. let's get along" act.