Book of Mormon a copycat of the Holy Bible? (Jesus Christ, reject)

[trinity2359]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

I'm a Calvinist, you know...

It's impossible for anyone to believe in the flesh. Calvinists believe that regeneration comes before saving faith (check out Lydia's conversion). The only sinners that are enabled to believe by the sovereign grace of God are those predestined before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1, Romans 8). And faith comes by hearing (Rom 10), through hearing the gospel proclaimed.

For your own personal study: Monergism :: Doctrines of Grace

Calvin?!? I thought you follow no man but Christ?! or your precious sola-scriptura?

(sry, couldn't resist, Lord, forgive me )

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

That's why I'm having so much fun. The prerequisite for Christianity is to understand your condition as a sinner. The Apostle Paul already claimed to be the chief sinner. I am right behind him as being one of the worst of all sinners.

Admitting that one is a sinner is supposed to be an act of humility. It is that humility that opens one up to hearing God. Yet you manage to make yourself "second only to Paul" in feigned piety.

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

BTW...do you think you are a sinner?

I do, actually. But not in the way that you use the term. It's not a bragging right.

To sin is to miss the mark. Jesus asked us to be perfect like our father in heaven is perfect. For me, to sin is to fail to be as loving as God is. I continually fall short of being the best person I can be, to live up to the full potential with which God has endowed me.

[Fish-Hunter]

Originally Posted by lilithu

Admitting that one is a sinner is supposed to be an act of humility. It is that humility that opens one up to hearing God. Yet you manage to make yourself "second only to Paul" in feigned piety.


I do, actually. But not in the way that you use the term. It's not a bragging right.

To sin is to miss the mark. Jesus asked us to be perfect like our father in heaven is perfect. For me, to sin is to fail to be as loving as God is. I continually fall short of being the best person I can be, to live up to the full potential with which God has endowed me.

What do you think is man's primary purpose?

[Fish-Hunter]

Originally Posted by trinity2359

Calvin?!? I thought you follow no man but Christ?! or your precious sola-scriptura?

(sry, couldn't resist, Lord, forgive me )

Mormons and others have a misunderstanding of Sola Scriptura. Here's a quick overview of Sola Scriptura and the other solas for self study.

Historic Church Documents at Reformed.org

The problem in discussing different faiths is not really understanding what other religious communities actually believes. I am willing to hear what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints actually believe and why. I hope you are willing to do the same. We can scoop low and just cut each other down, not really listening to each other. I apologize when I have done this in the past. I will try to correct my mistake and try to listen to what your church is teaching and why.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

The problem in discussing different faiths is not really understanding what other religious communities actually believes.

I'm curious why you reference the Creeds and Church history when your sola scriptura faith seems to believe otherwise:

We deny that any creed, council or individual may bind a Christian's conscience, that the Holy Spirit speaks independently of or contrary to what is set forth in the Bible, or that personal spiritual experience can ever be a vehicle of revelation.
Historic Church Documents at Reformed.org

What gives?

[Fish-Hunter]

Originally Posted by Scott1

I'm curious why you reference the Creeds and Church history when your sola scriptura faith seems to believe otherwise:


What gives?

Do you understand that we share some essential creeds and confessions that Protestants believe are suported by Scriptures alone? And we also have mutually exclusive confessions. Protestanst believe that certain creeds and confessions cannot be supported by Scripture alone; therefore they are rejected.

For example, The Council of Trent was written as sacred written tradition in response to the Protestant Reformation. Therefore, Protestants reject the Council of Trent as a binding confession. On the other hand, the Westminster Confession of Faith and the London Baptist of Faith of 1689 are Reformed Confessions based on Sola Scriptura that the Roman Catholic Church do not receive.

It's really a matter of final authority. Who has final authority pertaining to faith and practice, either the Roman Catholic Magisterium, or the Holy Scriptures?

Here is a link of common creeds and some foreign confessions to a Roman Catholic Christian: Historic Church Documents at Reformed.org

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

What do you think is man's primary purpose?

The same purpose as all of creation. To live up the full potential with which God has endowed us. To create heaven on earth. As Jesus said, God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

Do you understand that we share some essential creeds and confessions that Protestants believe are suported by Scriptures alone? And we also have mutually exclusive confessions. Protestanst believe that certain creeds and confessions cannot be supported by Scripture alone; therefore they are rejected.

A creed, by definition, is extra-biblical.... ie not sola scriptura... and your above statement is contrary to the link you stated relflects how you believe.

For example, The Council of Trent was written as sacred written tradition in response to the Protestant Reformation.

Trent was a Church Council... not a Creed.

Therefore, Protestants reject the Council of Trent as a binding confession. On the other hand, the Westminster Confession of Faith and the London Baptist of Faith of 1689 are Reformed Confessions based on Sola Scriptura that the Roman Catholic Church do not receive.

Any Council post-Schism is subject to debate.... and certainly not sola scriptura.

It's really a matter of final authority. Who has final authority pertaining to faith and practice, either the Roman Catholic Magisterium, or the Holy Scriptures?

This does not explain why you have rejected the Orthodox faith..... they have no "Magisterium" and adhere to the Holy Councils.... so it's certainly not an "either - or".

Here is a link to the only Councils Protestants should consider: The Seven Ecumenical Councils