Why would God care? (blood, creation, bible, point of view, Abraham)

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by lilithu

Really, could you cite some examples of the evolution of pure intelligence?

Sure could you define pure intelligence?

Rationally there is no reason for god. Nothing could exist unless it had a creator then god cant exist unless he had a creator.

End game.

If things can exist without a creator... ie God... well then other things, besides god can also exist without a creator and thus god is not needed to explain our existance.

Now lets talk universe for a sec... the universe is vast, unfathomably large and filled with a ridiculous amount of information. The universe is neither good nor evil and rather simply exists according to laws we live in every day but are still working out to explain.

Your god... however, is similar except you also attribute all knowing, all caring, benevolent etc etc qualities to him. Qualities we all know that can be logically disproved.

Given the two options of things that have always been around... the universe and god... I would wager the universe stands a much better chance of being understood, proven and offering humans any type of salvation.

To stagnate and reflect upon stories of jesus and a jealous chiidish god who supposedly killed the entire planet off atleast once is just ludicrous. A waste of !@#!@# time. We have much more important things to worry about then to fight over who has the better imaginary friend.

In fact... your argument is so weak we could sum it up by asking you... Exactly how did intelligence and god form if not by evolution?

You want to argue by question right? How did god come to be? Why should I believe in God? What makes your religion the true religion? What gods dont you believe in and why? (Please be explicit as not to offend others that may worship gods you deny) How many gods do you believe exist? Why god as an answer to our existance and not something else, say aliens? Why do you feel you are so special as to warrant the attention of the most powerful being you can conceive of to judge whether you are naughty or nice?

We can go on all day. It takes a lot of time and patience to answer the innane questions you ask. Answers that are lost on you to begin with. The only conceivable reason for answering is to prove the fallacious nature of your arguments to others and to get you to state a point of view.

Blah

Off topic.

To sum up... stop arguing by question and come up with a real response. When someone says a leaf is green you argue oh really... can you explain why a leaf is green... Its obnoxious.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Sure could you define pure intelligence?

I'm not the one arguing the existence of "pure intelligence," let alone claiming that it had to have evolved. And you guys claim to be rational?!

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Rationally there is no reason for god. Nothing could exist unless it had a creator then god cant exist unless he had a creator.

End game.

One little tiny flaw with your logic. GOD IS NOT A THING.

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by lilithu

I'm not the one arguing the existence of "pure intelligence," let alone claiming that it had to have evolved. And you guys claim to be rational?!

It is rather amusing, for sure.

Originally Posted by lilithu

One little tiny flaw with your logic. GOD IS NOT A THING.

Yikes... are you suggesting that "god" is nothing? (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
I do know what you are meaning however but I have to admit that I am puzzled why people would have any issue with "god" evolving. All of "creation" is evolving, so why wouldn't the "creator" of that "creation" also evolve? In theory, perfection would likely get "old" fairly fast. Well?


On to the OP...

Originally Posted by Phasmid

If a being capable of creating all we see/have yet to see existed, what in the name of T. Pratchett would it see in us lowly humans?

My simple guess is that it would probably see itself, but hey, that's just me, pun intended.

Originally Posted by Phasmid

I can see it from the "love" point of view. I mean humans are much more complex than dogs, but we still love them as pets and care a great deal for them and they return the sentiment. But really, is that enough for an all-powerful being to come down and go through some strange and bloody sacrifice for us? Ants are far less complex than humans, they have interest for us, sure, but would any sane person die for an ant?

Well, to be honest, it would have to be a very special ant, to be sure. Who knows, you just might enjoy a thing I wrote a few years back call Dogs and God. As far as the "sacrifice" goes, perhaps he was just making the best of a bad situation.

Originally Posted by Phasmid

We can't possibly be interesting to God, from an intellectual point of view, since God knows all.

I beg to differ with a rather large part of humanity and state clearly that "god" does not know everything. In essence, that is why "he" made us.

Originally Posted by Phasmid

So why? Why would God bother even watching us?

Pffft. "God" doesn't need to watch us, lol. Contrary to popular belief "god" is not a single being, but rather, a shared experience. "God" is an idea...

Originally Posted by Phasmid

Why would God bother with ANYTHING. If he's everything,

I'd wager it would be simply because that it is everything. That provides an aweful lot of reasons why one would bother. Look at it my way, if you will indulge me. Imho, we are not only a part of what it is, but further, we have never been externalized. Everything, including the chest-thumping human animal, is an aspect of that larger identity. In some terms, our reality is simply the endless procession of "god" meeting itself and forever expanding its self-knowledge through our experience.

Originally Posted by Phasmid

it'd make more sense to end his existence...

Hmmm, in theory, that would be a bit drastic, lol. It might be far more helpful for the human animal to create a new vision of "god" that doesn't insult the intelligence of the believer and is designed to grow with evolving sentiments.

Originally Posted by Phasmid

he'd have little to gain from existing.

I understand, but you seem to be thinking along the lines of the rather stunted Abrahamic god concepts. Toss 'em in the dust where they have belonged for a very long time. The thing is not to throw the baby out with the bath water.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

I do know what you are meaning however but I have to admit that I am puzzled why people would have any issue with "god" evolving. All of "creation" is evolving, so why wouldn't the "creator" of that "creation" also evolve?

Actually Paul, I agree with this completely. But that is a more nuanced view of God than what Heckle and Jeckle are talking about here.

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by lilithu

One little tiny flaw with your logic. GOD IS NOT A THING.

I never implied god WAS a thing. (or God, GOD or Deus)

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

I never implied god WAS a thing. (or God, GOD or Deus)

You most certainly did, by stating that God has to have been created like everything else.

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by lilithu

One little tiny flaw with your logic. GOD IS NOT A THING.

It can't not be a thing and be. Lovely logic.

In point, such professions can only serve to confuse.

Originally Posted by lilithu

You most certainly did, by stating that God has to have been created like everything else.

If it didn't we couldn't talk about it.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by Willamena

It can't not be a thing and be. Lovely logic.

In point, such professions can only serve to confuse.

The confusion is in seeing God as qualitative the same as us, just some being with superpowers.

Originally Posted by Willamena

If it didn't we couldn't talk about it.

We seem to do just fine talking about "it".