The U.S. was not founded as a Christian nation. (Deists, America)

[logician]

Originally Posted by mball1297

Yes, that was the point, and this point upholds yours that started the thread. They were nominally Christian. That means they tried to appease the masses by pretending to be Christian. That doesn't mean they tried to found this country as a Christian country.

The idea that they "pretended to be Christian" is illogical, in that it makes them out to be hypocritical cowards. Two things our founding fathers were not , hypocrites and cowards.

[Reverend Rick]

Originally Posted by logician

Thus not founded as a Christian nation, the premise of my thread.

Not founded as a non-religious nation either. Separation of church and state is not anti-religious or pro-religious.

If your not careful logician, you just might find we agree on something.

[Ronald]

Thank God for the US Constitution! With out it we would have a repressive Christian Government (not under the law) making all sorts of laws for the rest of the citizens to bear!

The fruit of the Hebrew Tree was Hybridized before it was planted as the Christian Religion.

Praise God for America. May it stay free from religious tyranny! Amen

[MidnightBlue]

Originally Posted by logician

The idea that they "pretended to be Christian" is illogical, in that it makes them out to be hypocritical cowards. Two things our founding fathers were not , hypocrites and cowards.

A man like Jefferson, who doesn't believe that Jesus was god and rejects all the miracles in the Bible, but still considers himself a Christian because he believes Jesus was a great teacher, is neither a hypocrite nor a coward. He is also not someone who would be considered a Christian by our present-day Evangelicals, but I would suggest that Jefferson is as good a judge of who a Christian is, as they are. It all depends on how you define "Christian."

What's certain is that the people who are always saying the U.S. was founded as a Christian nation also define Christianity in a way that excludes most of the leading founders.

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by logician

The idea that they "pretended to be Christian" is illogical, in that it makes them out to be hypocritical cowards. Two things our founding fathers were not , hypocrites and cowards.

Or it makes them out to be smart. One thing our founding fathers were, smart. That would make it completely logical.

It's like saying to someone "I agree with you, and I'm on your side" to gain their respect and confidence, and then "But let's do things this way". That way they are more willing to understand and conform to your opinion, because they see how it can coincide with their other opinions.

[logician]

Originally Posted by MidnightBlue

A man like Jefferson, who doesn't believe that Jesus was god and rejects all the miracles in the Bible, but still considers himself a Christian because he believes Jesus was a great teacher, is neither a hypocrite nor a coward. He is also not someone who would be considered a Christian by our present-day Evangelicals, but I would suggest that Jefferson is as good a judge of who a Christian is, as they are. It all depends on how you define "Christian."

What's certain is that the people who are always saying the U.S. was founded as a Christian nation also define Christianity in a way that excludes most of the leading founders.

Maybe you missed the post where Jefferson had a great disdain for Christianity. The idea that he was a Christian in any way, shape , or form is simply false. That he may had "friends" or associated with people that were Christian is irrelevant. I have friends and family that are Christian, that does not make me any less of an atheist, or make me some kind of "nominal" Christian.

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by logician

Maybe you missed the post where Jefferson had a great disdain for Christianity. The idea that he was a Christian in any way, shape , or form is simply false. That he may had "friends" or associated with people that were Christian is irrelevant. I have friends and family that are Christian, that does not make me any less of an atheist, or make me some kind of "nominal" Christian.

Maybe you missed the part where Jefferson is said to actually ahve attended church, which would make him nominally Christian.

[Tau]

Christian founded or not, your nation is now in the grip of evangelical Christianity, have fun.

[Reverend Rick]

Originally Posted by Tau

Christian founded or not, your nation is now in the grip of evangelical Christianity, have fun.

You have not seen anything yet.