The U.S. was not founded as a Christian nation. (Deists, America)

[logician]

Originally Posted by mball1297

No, I'm not saying they are, but the quote you used implies him to be more of a theist or at least deist. That's all.



They were politicians. Sometimes, lies are good for the greater good. I'm not claiming that they were liars, but there is some evidence for it.

So your claim is that the founding father were liars, and that the U.S. was founded based upon Christianity?

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by logician

So your claim is that the founding father were liars, and that the U.S. was founded based upon Christianity?

Nope.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by logician

Sorry, Einstein was a de facto atheist:

following are his quotes:

"
I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.This is somewhat of a new kind of religion.

I have never implied to nature a purpose or a goal or anything that could be understood to be antropomorphic. What I see in nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very umperfectly , and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism.

But I prefer not to call myself religious because it is misleading. It is destructively misleading because for the vast majority of people, 'religion' implies 'supernatural'.

The idea of a personal god to me is quite alien to me and seems even naive."

As Dawkins has put it

"By "religion", Einstein meant something entirely different than what is conventionally eant."

BTW, our founding fathers can best be termed "secularists", who believed that the religious opinions(or lack thereof) of a president (or any other office) was entirely that person's own business.

You're too funny. He's quite clearly not a believer in an anthropomorphic god. He does not believe in that god. It doesn't matter that Einstein meant something different than the traditional meaning. Lots of people don't believe in the traditional meaning. It does not make him an atheist, and that is my point.

[logician]

Originally Posted by lilithu

You're too funny. He's quite clearly not a believer in an anthropomorphic god. He does not believe in that god. It doesn't matter that Einstein meant something different than the traditional meaning. Lots of people don't believe in the traditional meaning. It does not make him an atheist, and that is my point.

Sprry, but he definitely was NOT a pantheist, or a theist period, as is evident from his quotes.

[logician]

Originally Posted by mball1297

Nope.

Well, we got that out of the way.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by mball1297

No, I'm not saying they are, but the quote you used implies him to be more of a theist or at least deist. That's all.

They were politicians. Sometimes, lies are good for the greater good. I'm not claiming that they were liars, but there is some evidence for it.

Originally Posted by logician

So your claim is that the founding father were liars, and that the U.S. was founded based upon Christianity?

Dude, you are picking a fight with someone who is mostly on your side.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by logician

Sprry, but he definitely was NOT a pantheist, or a theist period, as is evident from his quotes.

As I said several posts ago, Einstein was a panentheist. (Tho I don't see why you're so sure he wasn't a pantheist.) And as I've said more than once in this thread, if by "theist" you mean classical theist, then no, he was definitely not a classical theist. When I use the word "theist" I mean anyone who accepts some type of concept of God. And by that definition he was a theist. At any rate, he was NOT an atheist. All you've proven is that he rejected the classical anthropomorphic omnipotent king/judge concept of God, something that was never in dispute.

[Charity]

Originally Posted by MidnightBlue

One of the major problems is that so many people feel it's their duty to "correct" the sanity of the founders.

Thank you for your attention to my quote.......It was very stimulating

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by lilithu

Dude, you are picking a fight with someone who is mostly on your side.

To be honest, I wouldn't say I'm on either side. I can see evidence for both.