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Old 07-26-2008, 07:41 PM
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For those of you who think otherwise, here are the words straight from our founding fathers mouths, in a treaty with Tripoli, drafted in 1796 by George Washington, and signed by John Adams in 1797:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmenl and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Let's face it, our founding fathers stood head and shoulders above our current crop of religious fanatics in government, in both wisdom and intelligence. We need more people like this in government.
All 50 states recognize God in their constitutions.
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Old 07-26-2008, 07:43 PM
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All 50 states recognize God in their constitutions.


But the first amendment puts forth the separation of church and state doctrine.
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All 50 states recognize God in their constitutions.
On the off chance you might actually stick around and have a discussion...
Assuming your statement is true, So?
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Old 07-26-2008, 08:04 PM
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The beginning and end of the Declaration of Independence, it's recognition of GOD and the signers who recognized GOD personally by signing the same. This is not a generic GOD, it is the GOD of the Bible.

BEGINNING
"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's GOD entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness....

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"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge (GOD) of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence (GOD), we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
John Hancock
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton
Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott
New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean
Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton
North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton
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Old 07-26-2008, 08:17 PM
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What supports your notion that "it was the God of the Bible" as opposed to, say, the deist God? Where does the DoI reference Christianity specifically?

It should also be noted that the Declaration of Independence was exactly that. It is not law. IIRC, God is wholly absent from the Bill of Rights.

Also, are you familiar with the Treaty of Tripoli, or does that need to be cited yet again?
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i don't mean to ask silly questions but maybe i am about to...why would USA government write 'In God we trust' on their money if they are not religious?



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i don't mean to ask silly questions but maybe i am about to...why would USA government write 'In God we trust' on their money if they are not religious?
From the US Department of Treasury:
U.S. Treasury - Fact Sheet on the History of"In God We Trust"
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The beginning and end of the Declaration of Independence, it's recognition of GOD and the signers who recognized GOD personally by signing the same. This is not a generic GOD, it is the GOD of the Bible. ...
Another fine, rambling post, oldcajun.

As usual, it measures up to the high standards you have set for yourself in previous posts.

That is to say, it's long on baseless assumptions, replete with plenty of unrelated information, and twisted to fit your preconceived notion of what you would like the answer to be.
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