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Old 05-26-2008, 09:02 AM
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The country was defined as a secular nation with freedom of any religion. If you don't get that you didn't read or unable to read and are parroting other peoples logic.

You have just as much right to be christian, jew, atheist, agnostic, amish or anything you want to be. This is america, land of the free. And you are free. When people impose their will upon you or make laws that limit your ability to be free they are simply unamerican and it is the duty of the citizen to fight for and keep everyone in america free.

This country was not founded AS a christian nation and with good reason and to the credit of the character of our forefathers considering the religious environment.
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Old 05-26-2008, 09:13 AM
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Hi, where do some of you get your history? Yes the original post quot is correct. Now put it back into context. For some one that sounds non Christian you sure do use their way of taking what you like out of context. Yes in principal we don't just attack non Christian countries. Or are you claiming that we made this TREATY with another country just because we felt like explaining to that country that we are not a Christian nation? Since you mentioned George, was he a Muslim? Maybe Hindu?
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It seems that people can not see that this is not a nation bulit on the Christian faith.
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Or are you claiming that we made this TREATY with another country just because we felt like explaining to that country that we are not a Christian nation?
It was a treaty made to create peace between the United States and one of the Barbary States. Its passage as written by a Congress including many of the Founding Fathers and others who had direct dealings with them indicates their agreement with the text, including the part that declares the United States to not be a nation founded on the Christian religion.

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Since you mentioned George, was he a Muslim? Maybe Hindu?
George Washington didn't publicly discuss religion much, so it's unclear what his true personal beliefs were. However, he was an emigrant from a country with state-sanctioned religion, and had seen the harm that it could do to a society and the people in it.
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wow! i just waded through 254 posts and i still dont know if America was founded as a christian nation or not, i thought you guys had it all written down? so i have been now wading through the constitution and have just one question.

The ratification of the conventions of nine states, shall be sufficient for the establishment of this Constitution between the states so ratifying the same.

Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the states present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the twelfth. In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names, G. Washington - Presidt. and deputy from Virginia New Hampshire: John Langdon, Nicholas Gilman Massachusetts: Nathaniel Gorham, Rufus King Connecticut: Wm. Saml. Johnson, Roger Sherman New York: Alexander Hamilton New Jersey: Wil. Livingston, David Brearly, Wm. Paterson, Jona. Dayton Pennsylvania: B. Franklin, Thomas Mifflin, Robt. Morris, Geo. Clymer, Thos. FitzSimons, Jared Ingersoll, James Wilson, Gouv Morris Delaware: Geo. Read, Gunning Bedford jr, John Dickinson, Richard Bassett, Jaco. Broom Maryland: James McHenry, Dan of St Thos. Jenifer, Danl Carroll Virginia: John Blair, James Madison Jr. North Carolina: Wm. Blount, Richd. Dobbs Spaight, Hu Williamson South Carolina: J. Rutledge, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Charles Pinckney, Pierce Butler Georgia: William Few, Abr Baldwin


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Surely you are not confusing a legal convention with a profession of theology?
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wow! i just waded through 254 posts and i still dont know if America was founded as a christian nation or not, i thought you guys had it all written down? so i have been now wading through the constitution and have just one question.

The ratification of the conventions of nine states, shall be sufficient for the establishment of this Constitution between the states so ratifying the same.

Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the states present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the twelfth. In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names, G. Washington - Presidt. and deputy from Virginia New Hampshire: John Langdon, Nicholas Gilman Massachusetts: Nathaniel Gorham, Rufus King Connecticut: Wm. Saml. Johnson, Roger Sherman New York: Alexander Hamilton New Jersey: Wil. Livingston, David Brearly, Wm. Paterson, Jona. Dayton Pennsylvania: B. Franklin, Thomas Mifflin, Robt. Morris, Geo. Clymer, Thos. FitzSimons, Jared Ingersoll, James Wilson, Gouv Morris Delaware: Geo. Read, Gunning Bedford jr, John Dickinson, Richard Bassett, Jaco. Broom Maryland: James McHenry, Dan of St Thos. Jenifer, Danl Carroll Virginia: John Blair, James Madison Jr. North Carolina: Wm. Blount, Richd. Dobbs Spaight, Hu Williamson South Carolina: J. Rutledge, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Charles Pinckney, Pierce Butler Georgia: William Few, Abr Baldwin


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A Crucial Difference Between McCain and Obama?
That's a legal term to identify the date. You will find it in use in the period in any nation or territory which derives its jurisprudence from English Common Law.

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Surely you are not confusing a legal convention with a profession of theology?
i dont know really i was just reading it .

A legal convention in christian countries,in a secular document? i just find it puzzling, the Lord in question is Jesus right? with hindsight maybe they should have left that bit out.

if you were to say, find that document and knew nothing of it,that sentence alone would give you the impression that it concerned a christian country.
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so they wouldnt use it in Spain or france ? Italy?
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