Why is it always the Mormons? (Jesus Christ, Buddhism, beliefs, LDS)

[Somkid]

I didn't realize how many Mormons there actually were until I moved to Thailand and I didn't know what "LDS" was either.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

True, but it's a pretty good guide to the official dogmas of the RC Church. And in this case, it agrees with what I was taught as a child and as an undergrad at a Jesuit university.

This is not an official dogma.... it's ONE way to interpret the verse.... if you'd like, start a new thread and I'd be happy to show you.

Peace,
S

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by Scott1

This is not an official dogma.... it's ONE way to interpret the verse.... if you'd like, start a new thread and I'd be happy to show you.

Peace,
S

Sorry, Scott, but you're the only Catholic I've ever met (and I've met a lot of them, I was born and raised in a community overwhelmingly Irish-American Catholic), who interprets that verse to be a reference to anything other than Peter. Every major source on Catholicism I can find agrees with me. You're welcome to interpret the verse however you want, of course

But the verse most definitely IS the official justification for the Papacy tracing back to Peter himself as the "rock" upon which the Church would be built.

Here's are several essays from the Vatican's official website in English that also agree:

Fourth Station, Jesus is denied by Peter, Way of the Cross 2008

Eucharistic concelebration on the Solemnity of Sts Peter and Paul

Inauguration of the Exhibition:*'Habemus Papam': Pontifical elections from St Peter to Benedict XVI

In fact, by the Redeemer's expressly declared desire, the Pope is the "rock" on which the spiritual edifice of ecclesial communion is founded. "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church" (Mt 16: 18) . . .

At every conclave, the truth of Christ's promise to Peter is reasserted: "On this rock I will build my Church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it" (Mt 16: 18).

And the Pope himself:

Solemnity of Sts Peter and Paul - Homily, 29 June 2006

"You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church" (Mt 16: 18). What exactly was the Lord saying to Peter with these words? With them, what promise did he make to Peter and what task did he entrust to him? And what is he saying to us - to the Bishop of Rome, who is seated on the chair of Peter, and to the Church today? .

And the prior Pope, John Paul II:

Solemnity of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul - Angelus

Today, the Diocese of Rome, rooted in the witness of the two great Apostles, is celebrating in a special way. Peter, chosen by Christ as the "rock" on which to build his Church, was crucified not far from the Vatican Hill and his tomb is the symbolic centre of the Catholic faith.

And the Catechism:

Simon Peter holds the first place in the college of the Twelve;283 Jesus entrusted a unique mission to him. Through a revelation from the Father, Peter had confessed: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Our Lord then declared to him: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it."284 Christ, the "living Stone",285 thus assures his Church, built on Peter, of victory over the powers of death. Because of the faith he confessed Peter will remain the unshakeable rock of the Church. His mission will be to keep this faith from every lapse and to strengthen his brothers in it.

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

Sorry, Scott, but you're the only Catholic I've ever met (and I've met a lot of them, I was born and raised in a community overwhelmingly Irish-American Catholic), who interprets that verse to be a reference to anything other than Peter. Every major source on Catholicism I can find agrees with me. You're welcome to interpret the verse however you want, of course

But the verse most definitely IS the official justification for the Papacy tracing back to Peter himself as the "rock" upon which the Church would be built.

Here's are several essays from the Vatican's official website in English that also agree:

Fourth Station, Jesus is denied by Peter, Way of the Cross 2008

Eucharistic concelebration on the Solemnity of Sts Peter and Paul

Inauguration of the Exhibition:*'Habemus Papam': Pontifical elections from St Peter to Benedict XVI

And the Pope himself:

Solemnity of Sts Peter and Paul - Homily, 29 June 2006
And the prior Pope, John Paul II:

Solemnity of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul - Angelus
And from the Catechism:

Sorry, but you're still wrong.

[Scott1]

Dopp,

If you'd like, start a new thread and I'd be happy to show you.

Peace,
S

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by mball1297

Sorry, but you're still wrong.

Obviously.

Originally Posted by Scott1

Dopp,

If you'd like, start a new thread and I'd be happy to show you.

Peace,
S

[doppelgänger]

I forgot, it was also officially established at Vatican I. But the Council was apparently wrong, too.


Pius IX**** Vatican I

1. We teach and declare that, according to the gospel evidence, a primacy of jurisdiction over the whole Church of God was immediately and directly promised to the blessed apostle Peter and conferred on him by Christ the lord.
2. It was to Simon alone, to whom he had already said You shall be called Cephas [42], that the Lord, after his confession, You are the Christ, the son of the living God, spoke these words:
Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven [43] .
3. And it was to Peter alone that Jesus, after his resurrection, confided the jurisdiction of Supreme Pastor and ruler of his whole fold, saying:
Feed my lambs, feed my sheep [44].
4. To this absolutely manifest teaching of the Sacred Scriptures, as it has always been understood by the Catholic Church, are clearly opposed the distorted opinions of those who misrepresent the form of government which Christ the lord established in his Church and deny that Peter, in preference to the rest of the apostles, taken singly or collectively, was endowed by Christ with a true and proper primacy of jurisdiction.

1. That which our lord Jesus Christ, the prince of shepherds and great shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the Church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ's authority, in the Church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time [45].
2. For no one can be in doubt, indeed it was known in every age that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, the pillar of faith and the foundation of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom from our lord Jesus Christ, the savior and redeemer of the human race, and that to this day and for ever he lives and presides and exercises judgment in his successors the bishops of the Holy Roman See, which he founded and consecrated with his blood [46].
3. Therefore whoever succeeds to the chair of Peter obtains by the institution of Christ himself, the primacy of Peter over the whole Church. So what the truth has ordained stands firm, and blessed Peter perseveres in the rock-like strength he was granted, and does not abandon that guidance of the Church which he once received [47].
4. For this reason it has always been necessary for every Church--that is to say the faithful throughout the world--to be in agreement with the Roman Church because of its more effective leadership. In consequence of being joined, as members to head, with that see, from which the rights of sacred communion flow to all, they will grow together into the structure of a single body [48].

4. This is the teaching of the Catholic truth, and no one can depart from it without endangering his faith and salvation.