Elohim - God or Extraterrestrial Creators? (Jesus, ritual, testimony, Moses)

[danaustin77]

I haven't found another thread with this topic involving religion and if anyone is interested in debating the issues I will bring up, then feel welcome to do so, and I apologise if this thread has already been covered, I am new to this site so please bear with me. Being a religious forum, I thought there must be quite am eclectic range of people on this site, such as Buddhists, Muslims, Christians and Athiests etc, and it maybe interesting to hear different perspectives.

I would like to turn your attention to the aspect of world religions, basically the world wide perception of what religion is, and what the collective amalgamation of these institutes and where they originated both geogographically and spiritually from, inclusive of the Et hypothesis.

What are people's thoughts or beliefs concerning the so called Ancient Astronaut Theory, such as espoused by the infamously famous Erik Von Danikin, such as in his book Charriots of the Gods and the continuing series of publications he made? I have heard the argument from sceptics and critics that his interpretations are 'fantasies', yet as we are dealing with ancient history, is interpretation and theory an unavoidable aspect of understanding what our past is, including archeology, mythology and religion? Orthodox archeology and the study of religion requires a certain amount of interpretaion, such as the early Christian scholars compiling the Holy Bible, chose not to publish certain accounts of the life of Jesus in other conflicting Gospels such as the Gospel of Thomas. Forgive me, I'm not a religious scholar, I have read the New Testament and parts of the Old Testament, and certainly correct me if I'm wrong, but concerning a one God (singular) the Elohim was also refered to as 'those that came from the sky' (plural) and 'worship no other Gods but me' - does this indicate, with the reality of many religions such as the North Americans with 'The Star People', 'The Vedas' in India or 'The Gods' of Egpyt and Greece etc, that indeed it was infact a world wide series of events rather including many divine entities, rather than one divine experience such as re-told in the Holy Bible?

With this in mind, I would also like to turn your thoughts to the current day, and recent times. If something divine was happening in ancient times, then surely something divine might concievably be happening today, and not the personal enlightenments of individuals, but actual encounters with 'God' such as Ezekiels experience of a firey charriot.

If you haven't viewed this footage, I refer you to the following link which is a press conference of May 2001 in Washington DC at The National Press Club, which an organisation amassed around 500 reliable individuals testifying to other beings in our universe, which gained the label, and I say label intentionally, as 'extraterrestrials', 'aliens' or 'visitors.

Please go to site disclosureproject.org if interested.

I think certainly, as with anything which isn't scientifically acknowledged we should be sceptical, but I hope if anyone reading this who considers this as 'ufo nonsense' is there a danger of being cynically sceptical? On a personal level, I have watched this footage, and it is hard to believe 20 out of 500 ex military, governmental, intelligence, corporate and scientific employees would be hoaxing such cliams, lying, deluded or mistaken - however, if I heard a more rational explanation I would be the first to agree, and then it would help my perspective.

Tieing this altogether, what do you think about the Elohim of ancient times to the current hypothesis of Ets - is there possibly a relationship? Primitve man on seeing a gloriously technologically advanced craft descend before him announcing it was God, would not this man believe it to be the all powerful creator of the universe? Yet today, when the same experiences happen, we term them as alleged 'Et visitations' as we are living in different times, with different words to acount for our experiences.

Please don't think I am wishing to tell you what to think, on the contrary, I value each individual opinion and don't want to convert anyone, but simply as you can see lol, I find this subject quite interesting, and thought I would attempt to start a debate on these issues, their relavence to religion, God, Gods and the wider perspective of the events which are unfolding on this very day, so amazing as to be dismissed by sceptics, so ephemeral as not to be pinned down by science, and so unnerving as to be allegedly withheld by Governments.

[Kungfuzed]

I'm not sure sure how possible it is that we are the experiment or creation of a type IV civilzation. I don't know if you're saying that aliens created the universe or just evolved on another world and planted the seeds of life here. The evidence leads me to believe that humans evolved here and were not added to the planet after the fact. DNA seems to imply that all life on this planet is related so it seems like an all or nothing deal as far as life on this planet goes. Since we have no objectively verifyable evidence of alien life, I'd have a hard time believing in such a thing.

[danaustin77]

Thank you for your post. In my post I was giving the question if Ets have planted life on Earth, after evolving on another planet. Regarding no 'obvjectively verifyable evidence' concerning alien life, do you think it is not possible that evidence could not be the 3% of 150 million estimated sightings of unexplained ufos since the last century, declassifed documentation which confirms the existence of Ets through governmental channels, and also hundreds of reliable military, government and intelligence employees who will testify before the American Congress as to the reality of Ets and the technology being kept hidden by a fraction of the military industrial sector? Concerning this evidence, I would be interested in your interpretation of the disclosure event, I am open minded myself and I prefer to lean towards the most rational, logical and 'evidence' aspects of the so called phenomena. This event was seen by 1 billion people and widely regarded as a little known, by mass media anyway, 'smoking gun' footage - ie, here is the evidence. I wonder what was going on here and I am certainly open to the sceptical view point. Scientifically, testimony cannot be taken as evidence, and orthodox science it seems will not investigate these claims, but there is also corroberative documentation to prove who these individuals are, their experiences, and other evidence such as radar tapes etc. The issue of why science doesn't investigate events like this, or evidence, has been alleged as a denial of evidence, the benchmark of which was the Condon Report by a scientific panal, who unfortunately chose to file cases which could already be explained, and ignore the cases which were not explained, and provided the interpretation that we are not alone etc.

DNA 'seems to imply' again is theory, and not fact concerning our origination from primates, which of course has the issue that we cannot explain why mankind suddenly advanced biologically over a short period of time, hence the theory of the artifical intervention, and was this even an impossibly short period of time concerning the gradual biological advancements that primates were making. The problems archeologists have found with the evolutionary theory, is the mass of anomalies though, such as human skeletons being discovered which pre-dated primates and their development into more humanoid animals, the DNA link although at first explains the origins of man, or implies an explanation as you said, also has the problem of the missing link, therefore rather than the lack of evidence here to interpret our origin as DNA based, looking at other evidence, such as archeology and mythology is intriguing.

Any thoughts are appreciated,

Thank you.

[gnostic]

My knowledge about this part of the OT is hazy, but I thought it was Elijah, who was taken to heaven in chariot of fire, not Ezekiel.

[danaustin77]

Hi there gnostic, thanks for your reply! I haven't read the Bible in awhile, it was Ezekiel and not Elijah, but I didn't know he was taken to heaven on a charriot, that is interesting.

[Wandered Off]

Ezekiel wrote of his vision of the "wheel in a wheel" that some have interpreted as representing a spacecraft, while others have inferred that the vision resulted from the use of dangerous chemicals.

[danaustin77]

That's it, that's the acount I was referring to. Although if he was using dangerous chemicals, were other similar experiences such as Moses on the Mount of Sinia or the star of Bethlehem and other similar experiences across the globe, and not just within Christianity, were they using dangerous drugs? Was infact religion, and world wide religions, created by something which transcended geographical and cultural divides with something that was external? I am referring to the issue of if the causes of religion are internal processes of the brain, then what do you think about the consistent birth of not one in one part of the world, but many in many parts of the world, of experiences of beings from the stars, such as the Elohim.

[Super Universe]

The Elohim are the Enlightened Ones, aka Shining Ones or the Central Race. They do work for God.

God creates new solar systems and the Elohim plant life there. Once new life evolves to the point where it makes the first moral decision the Elohim leave and you're on your own. So aliens exist. The universe is full of life.

Some aliens come here because they do not abide by the rule of non-interference. They come here because you have something they want. Humans attract sentient God energy known as a soul. A certain species of alien cannot attract a soul because they were "artificially" formed by Lucifer who was actually trying to make a better and more capable host for the soul but his experiment failed. Still, they are his creation and a life form so Lucifer did not have the heart to end their existence.

The Elohim are very guarded towards this race of beings that Lucifer made. They consider them a great threat, not to them but toward us. They put a great deal of effort into us and don't want to see anyone mess with it, just like any artist.

Really, when it comes to the subject of aliens, people get scared but, honestly, who really cares? I don't get it. So what there are aliens? You still have to go to work and feed your children. It doesn't really change anything.

[Kungfuzed]

You would think, out of 150 million sightings that at least a few people would have more to show for it than grainy, out of focus pictures and shakey video. The quality of evidence is so poor the flying object can't even be distinguished from a thrown trash can lid. The evidence for UFOs is very similar in quality to that of the Loch Ness monster and Bigfoot.

[Kungfuzed]

This might be for another thread, but I think people who report sightings of UFOs, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, the Virgin Mary, etc. are good candidates for the Stand Alone Complex.

A Stand Alone Complex can be compared to the emergent copycat behavior that often occurs after incidents such as serial murders or terrorist attacks. An incident catches the public's attention and certain types of people "get on the bandwagon", so to speak. It is particularly apparent when the incident appears to be the result of well-known political or religious beliefs, but it can also occur in response to intense media attention. For example, a mere fire, no matter the number of deaths, is just a garden variety tragedy. However, if the right kind of people begin to believe it was arson, caused by deliberate action, the threat that more arsons will be committed increases drastically.
What separates the Stand Alone Complex from normal copycat behavior is that the originator of the copied action is not even a real person, but merely a rumored figure that commits said action. Even without instruction or leadership a certain type of person will spring into action to imitate the rumored action and move toward the same goal even if only subconsciously. The result is an epidemic of copied behavior-with no originator. One could say that the Stand Alone Complex is mass hysteria-with purpose.