Elohim - God or Extraterrestrial Creators? (Jesus, ritual, testimony, Moses)

[danaustin77]

Originally Posted by logician

I'm sure "non-intelligent" life is quite common, but the jury is still out on intelligent life such as ourselves, regardless of conspiracy theories.

The 'jury' has had the evidence handed to them, signed and delivered, and in any court in any land would grant a hearing based on such 'evidence' and proof, the issue is how much more evidence needs to be submitted before a fair hearing? I just am concerned that the proof is too easily explained away as something other than the obvious, which what is really going on, and that the Et explanation is side lined because obviously, it is amazing and unbelievable concerning life elsewhere. It is only my concern that we have our heads in the sand, to be cynically or irrationally sceptical is maybe a step too far ...

My only advise is to percieve not to believe.

Thank you though, I appreciate your posts.

[Popeyesays]

I was turned off by the fact that the web site you noted seems to want money much more than it wants to impart knowledge.

Regards,
Scott

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by danaustin77

Hi there gnostic, thanks for your reply! I haven't read the Bible in awhile, it was Ezekiel and not Elijah, but I didn't know he was taken to heaven on a charriot, that is interesting.

Well some one started a thread sometime last year. I listed a whole bunch of biblical verses that seem to hint at alien involvement or technology. The Sumerian tablets are interesting and I think they are the precursor to the bible.

Anybody: What do you think about extra-terrestrials?

[logician]

Originally Posted by danaustin77

The 'jury' has had the evidence handed to them, signed and delivered, and in any court in any land would grant a hearing based on such 'evidence' and proof, the issue is how much more evidence needs to be submitted before a fair hearing? I just am concerned that the proof is too easily explained away as something other than the obvious, which what is really going on, and that the Et explanation is side lined because obviously, it is amazing and unbelievable concerning life elsewhere. It is only my concern that we have our heads in the sand, to be cynically or irrationally sceptical is maybe a step too far ...

My only advise is to percieve not to believe.

Thank you though, I appreciate your posts.

Proving your claim I think will be quite difficult.

[danaustin77]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

I was turned off by the fact that the web site you noted seems to want money much more than it wants to impart knowledge.
Regards,
Scott

They're a non profit making site basically, they're main aim through the disclosure project is to bring about an official disclosure of evidence, not to make money, the money they want to raise are any donations people wish to give in the attempts to put together a scientific team, they have raised half of what they need, to invest time and money into creating the free energy technology which Nicola Tessla first invented in the last century. Certainly it isn't money they are after for itself, the founder and director of the project gave up a 300 thousand a year position to invest his time for free in putting together these projects. All the members of this project, and who run the site etc, work for free, and are interested primarily in the cause of disclosure of Ets, and also, evidently as with charities, raising the money to effectively end third world poverty and the relience in the Western World on fossil fuels which is draining the economy and causing massive problems, which are already beginning to loom.

Thank you for checking out the site though, it is appreciated, and I hope you return to it with a more open minded view point.

Originally Posted by Dirty Penguin

Well some one started a thread sometime last year. I listed a whole bunch of biblical verses that seem to hint at alien involvement or technology. The Sumerian tablets are interesting and I think they are the precursor to the bible.

That sounds really interesting, as I said I haven't read the Bible in awhile (maybe I should read more lol) so I will look at this thread with great interest. Thank you for pointing this out to me, it is very helpful and appreciated.

Originally Posted by logician

Proving your claim I think will be quite difficult.

Thank you for your posts logician, I appreciate it, I will try to keep this brief, but I never seem to lol!

If 500 ex military, governmental, scientific, corporate and intelligence personel with either high rank or in important positions who can prove with corroboratory and verifiable evidence such as offical transcripts, radar tapes and other official documentation who they are and what they have experienced isn't proof then I don't know what is. As we are dealing with lights in the sky and not a dead alien on a table, or a piece of a flying saucer in a labratory, we need to look elsewhere to proving an Et reality. It's the denial of evidence which is the problem. On a recent poll from America concerning if the American public thought the US Government was not being honest and truthful about their involvement with ufos, and the reality behind ufos etc, 70% think they are not, which is good that information and evidence is getting out there, it just takes time and effort. My claims are only what I have come to so far, and certainly if I heard alternate more rational explanations I would be the first to reasess them. Some people find it interesting, and are open minded, and regard evidence on its own merits and are not biased, although of course other people need more evidence to reassess their understandings of the world inwhich we live in, which is understandable, I think when more evidence comes out, eventually most people will realise the situation is real, and not a fantasy etc. Therefore it is not proving my claims to everyone which is the issue, it is conveying the evidence to sceptics and critics, and simply explaining the points, and showing the evidence - bear in mind, most people don't actually know much about the issues or much of the proof, which is constantly growing and being updated. I have no intention to prove anything to anyone though at the end of the day, people will believe what they want to believe, I simply find it interesting to ask questions, relay certain perspectives and theories, and question what is really going on, and if what I have found out personally through research, is the issue.

Thank you for your posts though, I appreciate your input.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by danaustin77

Thank you for your comments Super Universe, I agree that the explanation of the Et reality is indeed one of interest, and certainly the evident possibility of being created by them is not missed by myself, it is intriguing and enlightening, and also spiritually rewarding.

Apathy is an understandable response to ufos, I asked my family and friends about ufos and no one was interested, my best friend said that he thought there was good reason to think we are not alone, he thought the evidence was good and admitted the Et hypothesis, but thought 'ufos - so what though'.

The relevance behind this issue is basically the technology. It is clear individuals and groups across the globe who are involved with the ufo subject are pushing for an official disclosure - the technological advancement a disclosure would bring about, and spiritual awareness and realisation across the planet, including benefits to science, religion and medicine would change our future dramatically, both on the indiviudal lives on the planet and the mass populous. It is clear that if black budget operations are withholding Et technology, these highly advanced propulsion systems and use of free energy would revolutionise the Third World, equalling up the balance of the rich and the poor - and this too in the modern world, where problems of poverty, crime and failing institutions etc also persist. If there was an offical disclosure is it not possible, and correct me if I'm wrong here I'm only concluding what I see as the situation, that technological freedom for nations in great poverty would lift the Third World out of the condition they are currently in, needless to say reverse global warming and generally educate man as to his origin, his future, and his place within a peaceful galactic community. If all this is not valuable, then fair enough, I guess I chose to think it is of worth, and atleast worth a look.



On the contrary, I have seen a plethora of ufo footage that is clear, in focus and evidently presents good images of actual craft, which are proven to not be faked or tampered with in any way. Of course, the majority of footage will always be 'grainy, out of focus ... shaky video' as the majority of people with camcorders are ordinary civilians who are amatuers with cameras.

I appreciate your comments, though I find it hard, although certainly interesting why you hold this stance to draw similarities between the Et evidence to 'the Loch Ness monster and Bigfoot'. I would still like to hear your comments on the disclosure event of May 2001 at the National Press Club in Washington DC (disclosureproject.org), certainly if 500 ex military, governmental, intelligence, scientific and corporate individuals who had been in high powered positions within government etc and had top secret clearances, basically I would imagine quite reliable individuals coming forward and maintaining the existence of the Loch Ness Monster or Big Foot or ghosts, then it would atleast be fair to say that we should atleast listen to them? But, no such evidence has occured with the phenomena of ghostly apparitions, a few photographs of the Loch Ness Monster and also a very small amount of footage of alleged Big Foot creatures in comparison to the mass of footage of ufos, and also the fact that 500 individuals of reliable tenancy have come forward with what I assume a sceptic would see as wild and amazing claims, with proof to back it up - these individuals who range from Generals and Admirals to Staff Sergeants and Radar Operatives, not of course some guy on a fishing boat who allegedly snapped a picture of an obscure object in a lake, or a so called figure on a stair case people claim without proof is a ghost etc. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just saying what I see rationally and without prejudice.

I do find it interesting the current perceptions of ufos as 'there is no evidence' certainly I personally am open minded as to the sceptical or critical point of view, yet I find it very difficult to accept that reliable proven documentation and reliable witness testimony among evidence of radar tapes, official transcripts etc would be seen as unreliable to prove the existence of Ets. The danger I'm worried about is being in a state of denial of the evidence, that is the risk I am concerned about when I hear remarks such as 'there is no evidence', but surely there is more corroboratory and verifiable evidence and interest and relevance aswell to the ufo issue?

We were not created by aliens. Only God creates. Other beings mix and match things together, that's it. We use the word create when the more applicable word is form or fabricate.

The basic cause of human inability to accept that the universe is full of life is because we are extremely selfish. We were designed that way on purpose to provide a life experience that provides as much free will as possible. Think of a video game, do you want to play the one where you can choose to do a few things or the one where you have a wide variety of choices?

If the government revealed the presence of aliens on the planet I would not expect to see any benefits to science, medicine, or other. The government is already exposed to the alien equipment and there is somewhat of a delayed trickle down effect (eye contacts just might be one). As far as the propulsion and energy systems go, they are so far advanced that you can't reverse engineer them. Humans need to figure out String Theory before you can even begin to theorize how they work.

Global warming is not going to be reversed. The earth is changing, humans are not the main cause of it, this change has been scheduled since the beginning and nothing will stop it.

I believe that if the government revealed the presence of aliens the main effect would be panic and paranoia among many then a calming and general acceptance of the fact that the universe isn't all about us. We are just one small part of a giant whole, like a proton circling a nucleus in a hydrogen atom.

[Super Universe]

Some like to claim that if other intelligent civilizations exist in the universe then SETI should have uncovered a signal by now but this is overwhelmingly improbable.

All energy is a wavelength of what we call EMR, electromagnetic radiation. It spreads as it moves outward from it's source. This is why a giant sun appears as a pin point in the night sky, now think, how much energy does a giant sun produce? Any civilization that would want to produce a signal receivable by other systems would have to produce an equal amount of energy.

It's just not going to happen.

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by danaustin77

They're a non profit making site basically, they're main aim through the disclosure project is to bring about an official disclosure of evidence, not to make money, the money they want to raise are any donations people wish to give in the attempts to put together a scientific team, they have raised half of what they need, to invest time and money into creating the free energy technology which Nicola Tessla first invented in the last century. Certainly it isn't money they are after for itself, the founder and director of the project gave up a 300 thousand a year position to invest his time for free in putting together these projects. All the members of this project, and who run the site etc, work for free, and are interested primarily in the cause of disclosure of Ets, and also, evidently as with charities, raising the money to effectively end third world poverty and the relience in the Western World on fossil fuels which is draining the economy and causing massive problems, which are already beginning to loom..

One cannot access any of their "testimony" unless one pays five bucks. One cannot see more than 15 minutes of the press conference without paying for it.

That's not asking for donations, but they do that too. How much does it cost to put up a website? a few hundred a year max.

Regards,
Scott