Does God Exist? (Jesus, ritual, moral, Earth, beliefs)

[BalanceFx]

Do you not understand a a fallacious argument? Whether there are or are not flat earthers will not lend any credence to the belief the universe proves the existance of god.

I have stated the logic 3 times and your come back remains the same. A fallacious argument of one type of the other.

You also believe string theory will one day be proven and when it is THEN the existance of the universe will prove the existance of god.

You also argued the universe is too wondrous a creation with two many exacting rules to come into existance without a creator and in the same breath say the creator does not require a creator himself. Its your every day basic circular logic. Its fallacious and doesn't prove anything but you keep repeating it.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Do you believe the bible is accurate place to obtain historical data? Why or Why not?

The bible is not a history text book. It makes reference to some events in history, which may be accurate, just as historians have used works of fiction and memoirs and such to glean information. But it is not meant to portray events with historical accuracy. It is much deeper than that.

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Does God Exist?

Exist as a thing? Your question does not compute.

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Which God do you believe in? (Jesus, YHWH, Krishna, Allah?)

All/None. There are thousands of other gods whom I do/don't believe in as well.

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Why do you believe your god is the true god?

Because my God is the God that I experience. If I experienced some other God, that would be my true God. And I accept the same is true for other people.

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by lilithu

The bible is not a history text book. It makes reference to some events in history, which may be accurate, just as historians have used works of fiction and memoirs and such to glean information. But it is not meant to portray events with historical accuracy. It is much deeper than that.

Deeper eh? I assume you mean the bible of Judeo-Christian religions. How is the bible deeper?

Originally Posted by lilithu

Exist as a thing? Your question does not compute.

Is there such an entity as characterized in the bible and referred to as God? The question does compute, you just avoided the answer. Exist by definition has both a material and spiritual denotation. It is often used exactly to question whether or whether not god exists. Later you say that yes you do believe in atleast a god of some kind so I will gather you just wanted to point out that the question "Does God Exist" is somehow an error of the english language and were not actually avoiding the question.

Originally Posted by lilithu

All/None. There are thousands of other gods whom I do/don't believe in as well.
Because my God is the God that I experience. If I experienced some other God, that would be my true God. And I accept the same is true for other people.

All people are entitled to their beliefs. If a person acts upon their beliefs and that infringes upon another persons freedoms then that person shall be held accountable. Even a person who rejects the popular notion that a God exists is still accountable for his actions.

How did you come to experience god or are you simply accepting that because of your upbringing and experiences and what you were exposed to you chose to accept whatever religion was most powerfully instilled upon you?

Personally I do not believe in a god, a pantheon of gods, GOD, the devil, demons, ghosts, heaven, hell, santa, leprechauns or anything even vaugely supernatural. Illic est haud DEUS.

Religion is another form of superstition. Quite the powerful one too. Most of religions staying power has come from the notion that it is personal and sacred and is not to be questioned. This unquestioning of religion was up until recently also backed with laws and penalties. (In fact some states in the US still have such laws, one is specifically against blasphemy:

Some US states still have blasphemy laws on the books from the founding days. Chapter 272 of the Massachusetts General Laws states, for example:
Section 36. Whoever willfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, His creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars, and may also be bound to good behavior.

There are of course more barbaric laws, some of which have been removed and one would hope if they still exist they would never be enforced.

What this is righting some of the wrongs instilled over the years by religion on the common people and espicially the common philospher. There is to be a seperation of church and state. Church being any church and and religion and the government shall be ruled by reason and rationality. (Hah... Some day yes?)

Now if you want to believe there is an entity in the sun or an invisible man in the clouds or however else you wish to picture your god then that is your belief and you entitled to it. Its just a belief though... its not sacred. If you don't want people to know what you believe then don't tell people. If you came up to me and said you believed 2+2=10 I would tell you your wrong. And would happily debate why I believe you are wrong. When people knock on my door and ask me if I've been saved or tell me god will create a paradise on earth for us to live forever in I will also tell them their wrong. I have had people over for 3 hours drinking coffee and snacking on cakes as they calmly and rationally discussed it. I have also had people within 10 minutes tell me I will be judged and that my day is coming.

But beleifs are strange...

I have a friend who believes in leprechauns... He thinks that because I don't believe in leprechauns I will never find one or be able to see one. Fair enough. (Side note an Atheist was expelled from the Art Institute of Portland in 2006 for questioning a theist's belief in leprechauns).

The problem is a theists belief in christ the almighty or what have you has infiltrated this society and even though the bar is usually the first place a small minorty of christians head too on sunday I still cant go to a liquor store. Some kid gets expelled from school for telling a girl leprechauns dont exist? I mean seriously their not stringing up atheists anymore but give it a break.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Deeper eh? I assume you mean the bible of Judeo-Christian religions. How is the bible deeper?

I meant deeper, in the way that poetry is deeper than prose. And that would be true of most all religious scriptures, but since you were asking about the Judeo-Christian bible, yes.

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Is there such an entity as characterized in the bible and referred to as God? The question does compute, you just avoided the answer.

No, I didn't. You did not define "God" as the entity as characterized in the bible. You asked people whether in their opinion God exists, which means their conception of God. By my conception of God, that question does not compute. My God is not a thing.

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

All people are entitled to their beliefs. If a person acts upon their beliefs and that infringes upon another persons freedoms then that person shall be held accountable. Even a person who rejects the popular notion that a God exists is still accountable for his actions.

How is this relevant to anything that I wrote?

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

How did you come to experience god or are you simply accepting that because of your upbringing and experiences and what you were exposed to you chose to accept whatever religion was most powerfully instilled upon you?

I experience God as I experience God. That's like asking how did you come to experience love or are you simply accepting that because of your upbringing and experiences and what you were exposed to you chose to accept whatever social norm was most powerfully instilled upon you?

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Personally I do not believe in a god, a pantheon of gods, GOD, the devil, demons, ghosts, heaven, hell, santa, leprechauns or anything even vaugely supernatural. Illic est haud DEUS.

Well that is patently obvious. Duh. You asked a series of questions of theists so that you could argue with them and try to further your own (lack of) beliefs. Just like about a hundred other proselytizing atheists that visit these forums. Strangely, it's still fun to answer the questions even when we know what's coming next. Thank you for the entertainment.

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by lilithu

I meant deeper, in the way that poetry is deeper than prose. And that would be true of most all religious scriptures, but since you were asking about the Judeo-Christian bible, yes.

I experience God as I experience God. That's like asking how did you come to experience love or are you simply accepting that because of your upbringing and experiences and what you were exposed to you chose to accept whatever social norm was most powerfully instilled upon you?

Well that is patently obvious. Duh. You asked a series of questions of theists so that you could argue with them and try to further your own (lack of) beliefs. Just like about a hundred other proselytizing atheists that visit these forums. Strangely, it's still fun to answer the questions even when we know what's coming next. Thank you for the entertainment.

So the bible is poetic in your opinion and poetry is deeper then other literture. God is an emotion to you like love or alteast you experience it that way and is something you can feel. Interesting.

Rationilzations vary and are the norm because there is no proof for god. Argubly though, to your point, there is no proof for love. Interesting view point.

I am not proselytizing. You stated your belief and you are entited to it. I stated mine. The change I seek is not in your personal belief system but in the laws and governance of my country. Do not confuse the two.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

So the bible is poetic in your opinion and poetry is deeper then other literture. God is an emotion to you like love or alteast you experience it that way and is something you can feel. Interesting.

Rationilzations vary and are the norm because there is no proof for god. Argubly though, to your point, there is no proof for love. Interesting view point.

I am not proselytizing. You stated your belief and you are entited to it. I stated mine. The change I seek is not in your personal belief system but in the laws and governance of my country. Do not confuse the two.

You invited the povs of theists with no intention of trying to understand them, but rather to distort and denigrate in order to affirm your own pov.

How, prey tell, does ridiculing theisms on these forums create the change you seek?

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by lilithu

You invited the povs of theists with no intention of trying to understand them, but rather to distort and denigrate in order to affirm your own pov.

How, prey tell, does ridiculing theisms on these forums create the change you seek?

Ad hominem. If any of my comments have been perceived as rediculing you I apologize. I really am just a curious person bound now by logic and no more by the supernatural.

Debunking various parts of belief may seem like ridicule since it is a POV in direct contrast to your own but it is not. If anything I have pointed out some of the laws and events that ridicule and attack atheists on an everyday basis.

I think perhaps it is you that is not understanding my POV here or atleast misinterpreting it.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Ad hominem. If any of my comments have been perceived as rediculing you I apologize. I really am just a curious person bound now by logic and no more by the supernatural.

Since you are, as you say "bound now by logic and no more by the supernatural," what pray tell are you curious about with respect to theists? hmmm?

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Debunking various parts of belief may seem like ridicule since it is a POV in direct contrast to your own but it is not.

Yeah, to me this is no different from the fundamentalist Christian who says that he or she is not casting judgment when he or she says I'm going to hell. It's just offering their POV, which comes from their sense of "truth."