Does God Exist? (Jesus, ritual, moral, Earth, beliefs)

[Jaiket]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

[*]Does God Exist?[/list]

That would depend on whose definition of "God" we use. I don't feel there is reason to believe in an intelligent and creative agent sustaining the universe at this time if that answers your question.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by logician

Every argument you can give for the existence of god can be refuted.

Yep, you're right. There are those who don't believe that the earth is round.

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Yep, you're right. There are those who don't believe that the earth is round.

You realize of course your argument is counter productive?

You have asserted that there those that don't believe the earth is round when obviously it is in an attempt to say there are those that believe there is no god when obviously there is.

We can prove the earth is round. We can not prove there is a god. Your argument is self defeating.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

You realize of course your argument is counter productive?

You have asserted that there those that don't believe the earth is round when obviously it is in an attempt to say there are those that believe there is no god when obviously there is.

We can prove the earth is round. We can not prove there is a god. Your argument is self defeating.

You can't prove a thing to a person who refuses to believe, regardless of the evidence. Even a universe is not enough evidence for some.

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

You can't prove a thing to a person who refuses to believe, regardless of the evidence. Even a universe is not enough evidence for some.

The universe is not proof of god.

The universe is so wonderous and complex that it couldn't just be. Something must have created it and that something is even more wonderous and complex then the universe but doesn't need an explanation of creation? Circular.

A fallicious argument. An alluring one for some and easy to mistake as a valid argument but it *IS* fallcious.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

The universe is not proof of god.

The universe is so wonderous and complex that it couldn't just be. Something must have created it and that something is even more wonderous and complex then the universe but doesn't need an explanation of creation? Circular.

A fallicious argument. An alluring one for some and easy to mistake as a valid argument but it *IS* fallcious.

Okay, so you want to play tit-for-tat. Sigh... boring but here goes.

The universe is proof of God. See, now I've provided just as much evidence as you have provided.

What do you mean by fallicious? It's not in the dictionary. Neither is fallcious... Not trying to make a big deal out of typo's but it makes it difficult to understand your point.

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Okay, so you want to play tit-for-tat. Sigh... boring but here goes.

The universe is proof of God. See, now I've provided just as much evidence as you have provided.

What do you mean by fallicious? It's not in the dictionary. Neither is fallcious... Not trying to make a big deal out of typo's but it makes it difficult to understand your point.

There is no evidence that would lead me to believe that it was created. I also do not believe in leprechauns or santa claus. When you state something as fact the burden of proof is on you. You state as fact that the universe was created. You say this is because there is no way it could exist unless there was a creator. I do not believe the universe required a creator as that argument is a circular logic flaw. It is fallacious. That is it embodies a falacy or is intended to mislead or deceive.

Something as vast and wonderful as our universe could not exist without a creator. The creator however can exist without a creator. If things can exist without a creator, in your case god, why couldn't the universe just exist without a creator?

Once simplified you can return to logic. You may not have an answer to your question but you now have a logical place to search for that answer.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

There is no evidence that would lead me to believe that it was created. I also do not believe in leprechauns or santa claus. When you state something as fact the burden of proof is on you. You state as fact that the universe was created. You say this is because there is no way it could exist unless there was a creator. I do not believe the universe required a creator as that argument is a circular logic flaw. It is fallacious. That is it embodies a falacy or is intended to mislead or deceive.

Something as vast and wonderful as our universe could not exist without a creator. The creator however can exist without a creator. If things can exist without a creator, in your case god, why couldn't the universe just exist without a creator?

Once simplified you can return to logic. You may not have an answer to your question but you now have a logical place to search for that answer.

Of course not. No evidence will change the mind of a man who believes the world is flat either.