Does God Exist? (Jesus, ritual, moral, Earth, beliefs)

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

I said nothing about where God came from. The universe exists, however you believe it formed, it did so with an intelligence behind it. There are too many things that are precise within incredible tolerances. Now, not every aspect of the universe is so finely designed, there is an aspect of chaos, but just one impossibly precise thing shows intelligence. Whether you give this intelligence a name like God or you give the credit to particles is up to you.

You claim the universe was formed with intelligence behind it. Your evidence is that are "too many things that precise within incredible tolerances". This is your belief. I do not believe the universe as it exists today required an intelligent creator.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

If you are going to laugh, perhaps you could tell a joke so we can all join in?

The joke was the use of 4 combined fallacious Arguments to derail the question posed with scientific questions on string theory. String theory is not relavant as it is not proven nor does it support the cause of an intelligent creator.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

String theory is not relevant? Uh, it's entirely relevant if you want to figure out how the universe works.

Correction: String theory is a great way to work out, if possible, how all natural forces and matter interact in a mathematically complete system. A system far from complete but one that is interesting to explore.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

String theory is not proven theory? Uh, no, it's not. For most of human history neither was the round earth theory and you can still find those who think the earth is flat, they are athiests by the way.

Argument by doggedness. Classic. There are Still Flath Earthers! I like the little jab at atheists there. Cute. Argument of the future... someday String theory will be proven, just because its not yet doesnt mean its not true. Because some day.... Some day he will wipe out every tear from their eyes and death will be no more. Neither shall mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore for the former things have passed away.

Even if proven someday, it has nothing to do with the fact that you believe the universe could not exist unless something intelligent created it. Its a straw man argument.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Also, I don't imply a belief in God. I positively believe. 100%. No doubt whatsoever. Of every thing and anything that I know exists my belief in God is more absolute.

You state that the universe itself does not prove the existence of God? Uh, how so?

There is no evidence that would lead me to believe that it was created. I also do not believe in leprechauns or santa claus. When you state something as fact the burden of proof is on you. You state as fact that the universe was created. You say this is because there is no way it could exist unless there was a creator. I do not believe the universe required a creator as that argument is a circular logic flaw.

Something as vast and wonderful as our universe could not exist without a creator. The creator however can exist without a creator. If things can exist without a creator, in your case god, why couldn't the universe just exist without a creator?

Once simplified you can return to logic. You may not have an answer to your question but you now have a logical place to search for that answer.

You claim you want to understand string theory and that someday it will be proven as fact and believe erroneously that proven string theory will then validate your belief that the universe was created. If you need such validation then you must also have doubt that the universe was created.

Or you wholeheartedly believe based on evidence you know doesn't prove your beleif and want very badly for their to be evidence that supports your belief because you know its right and everyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong. In fact if their beliefs don't match your own prove why they dont!

It like saying you believe leprechauns invented and created and gold. And if anyone disagrees with you then you demand they show you evidence that leprechauns did not create gold. LOL

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

You claim the universe was formed with intelligence behind it. Your evidence is that are "too many things that precise within incredible tolerances". This is your belief. I do not believe the universe as it exists today required an intelligent creator.

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The joke was the use of 4 combined fallacious Arguments to derail the question posed with scientific questions on string theory. String theory is not relavant as it is not proven nor does it support the cause of an intelligent creator.



Correction: String theory is a great way to work out, if possible, how all natural forces and matter interact in a mathematically complete system. A system far from complete but one that is interesting to explore.
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Argument by doggedness. Classic. There are Still Flath Earthers! I like the little jab at atheists there. Cute. Argument of the future... someday String theory will be proven, just because its not yet doesnt mean its not true. Because some day.... Some day he will wipe out every tear from their eyes and death will be no more. Neither shall mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore for the former things have passed away.

Even if proven someday, it has nothing to do with the fact that you believe the universe could not exist unless something intelligent created it. Its a straw man argument.
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There is no evidence that would lead me to believe that it was created. I also do not believe in leprechauns or santa claus. When you state something as fact the burden of proof is on you. You state as fact that the universe was created. You say this is because there is no way it could exist unless there was a creator. I do not believe the universe required a creator as that argument is a circular logic flaw.

Something as vast and wonderful as our universe could not exist without a creator. The creator however can exist without a creator. If things can exist without a creator, in your case god, why couldn't the universe just exist without a creator?

Once simplified you can return to logic. You may not have an answer to your question but you now have a logical place to search for that answer.

You claim you want to understand string theory and that someday it will be proven as fact and believe erroneously that proven string theory will then validate your belief that the universe was created. If you need such validation then you must also have doubt that the universe was created.

Or you wholeheartedly believe based on evidence you know doesn't prove your beleif and want very badly for their to be evidence that supports your belief because you know its right and everyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong. In fact if their beliefs don't match your own prove why they dont!

It like saying you believe leprechauns invented and created and gold. And if anyone disagrees with you then you demand they show you evidence that leprechauns did not create gold. LOL

There is no evidence that would lead you to believe... That's the real issue, isn't it? Even if you were face to face with God and had every question answered you still would not believe. You can't believe because, if God existed, then you would be (rich, good looking, famous, happy -insert any combination of childish and bitter excuses you can think of).

So we have another angry kid who didn't get the life they wanted? Aww...

Maybe we should all stop giving money to the homeless children living on the streets in India and start a fund for the spoiled brat Americans who as a kid had to sit in church on Sunday's and grew up hating God because their parents didn't show them enough love?

You are so logical. I'm sure you don't even believe in love. But then, how could you?

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

There is no evidence that would lead you to believe... That's the real issue, isn't it? Even if you were face to face with God and had every question answered you still would not believe. You can't believe because, if God existed, then you would be (rich, good looking, famous, happy -insert any combination of childish and bitter excuses you can think of).

So we have another angry kid who didn't get the life they wanted? Aww...

Maybe we should all stop giving money to the homeless children living on the streets in India and start a fund for the spoiled brat Americans who as a kid had to sit in church on Sunday's and grew up hating God because their parents didn't show them enough love?

You are so logical. I'm sure you don't even believe in love. But then, how could you?

Another fallacious argument: now an ad hominem. Attack and insult the poster when your out of your league. A sterling paragon of virtues you are and a model christian.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Another fallacious argument: now an ad hominem. Attack and insult the poster when your out of your league. A sterling paragon of virtues you are and a model christian.

You spend more time looking up the argument type than addressing the point made. That's called avoidance.

Also, I didn't say I was a Christian and I never once mentioned Christ so how exactly does believing in God make one a Christian?

But I'm sure you won't answer the question, you'll just come back with another evasion tactic.

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

You spend more time looking up the argument type than addressing the point made. That's called avoidance.

Also, I didn't say I was a Christian and I never once mentioned Christ so how exactly does believing in God make one a Christian?

But I'm sure you won't answer the question, you'll just come back with another evasion tactic.

I'm not going to respond to a personal attack and thats not being evasive. I don't know what religion you are but appearantly its one which allows for personal attacks on those that disagree with you. Your goal here seems to be post irrelevant or off-topic messages with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

I believe DNFTT is appropiate.

[logician]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

There is no evidence that would lead you to believe... That's the real issue, isn't it? Even if you were face to face with God and had every question answered you still would not believe. You can't believe because, if God existed, then you would be (rich, good looking, famous, happy -insert any combination of childish and bitter excuses you can think of).

So we have another angry kid who didn't get the life they wanted? Aww...

Maybe we should all stop giving money to the homeless children living on the streets in India and start a fund for the spoiled brat Americans who as a kid had to sit in church on Sunday's and grew up hating God because their parents didn't show them enough love?

You are so logical. I'm sure you don't even believe in love. But then, how could you?

Every argument you can give for the existence of god can be refuted.

[Somkid]

No and no "god" is the thing people use to answer the questions that can not yet be answered. I guess most civilizations switched to the one god system because most of the questions were answered and the gods became obsolete.

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by Somkid

No and no "god" is the thing people use to answer the questions that can not yet be answered. I guess most civilizations switched to the one god system because most of the questions were answered and the gods became obsolete.

God did it and the bible is the crutch people use to answer questions they do not know the answers too.

There is no more evidence for a single god then there is for multiple gods.

We know religion in general has historically been a bad thing. To me though religion has one unforgivable problem. It teaches people to accept things on faith rather then the true explanation. Why look for what truly is the origin of species or the origin of the universe if the answer is already known: namely... God did it.

This is an absurd thing to do to our children and is not productive as a whole.

Once you accept that God did not do it... then you can truly start to search for the answers. Otherwise why look? You already know and anything that doesn't coincide with what you know must be false.

Send creationist scientists to the grand canyon... Did the grand canyon form over millions of years even though the earth is only 6000 years old? Are these people kidding me. Lets take your phds, years of college and consolidate it to: If you believe this planet is only 6000 years old your ignorant and should not be allowed to speak with any authority about geology. ever. The current theory is the earth is about 4.5 billion years old. If you believe the earth is 6000 years old you are off by a factor of a MILLION. Thats like thinking it takes weeks to cross the atlantic ocean or that you could cross it in a few seconds. Are you kidding me? I have never understoon young earth creationists.... 6000 years... yeah. We have Trees older then 6000 years. (Close to 10,000 years actually) Ok I went off topic.

I will concur with logician... any argument for the existance of god can be debunked. Illic est haud deus. There is no god.