Anything goes LDS thread...almost. (Jesus Christ, beliefs, hell, doctrine)

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by misanthropic_clown

....not at all, really. I went through a little atheistic phase and found that it was entirely about the creation of different thought patterns, more to do with perspective than with the actual facts/influences at hand.

I don't think we disagree with eachother we just put it in different words.

i think Athiest look for Facts and evidence, which is exactly what we as LDS do, but we accept certain things such as "confirmation of the spirit" to be evidence and proof. while athiests do not.

[Father Heathen]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

no the council of Nicea agreed on what thier ideas of the nature of Diety were, nothing could be farther from biblicaly defined as the nicene creed

Hmm, I must've had it confused with something else. But it was the early catholic church who compiled the bible and decided which gospels and scriptures were and weren't canonical, wasn't it?

[misanthropic_clown]

Originally Posted by Father Heathen

Hmm, I must've had it confused with something else. But it was the early catholic church who compiled the bible and decided which gospels and scriptures were and weren't canonical, wasn't it?

If memory serves it was still a council led by the Catholic church that decided which books were or were not to be canonised, yes.

[misanthropic_clown]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

I don't think we disagree with eachother we just put it in different words.

i think Athiest look for Facts and evidence, which is exactly what we as LDS do, but we accept certain things such as "confirmation of the spirit" to be evidence and proof. while athiests do not.

I can see what you are getting at, and it is very true that we are quite good at actually knowing our stuff and being aware of our own doctrines. That was certainly one of the reasons Mormonism has remained attractive to me. I certainly find Mormonism has a heck of a lot of internal consistency.

Perhaps that is where the distinction lies: the factual internal consistency of a faith is something theist and atheist alike can appreciate, but an atheist can't consider that as truth because it is essentially a suspended structure without foundation. The faithful find that grounding through faith and prayer and spiritual confirmation.

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by misanthropic_clown

I can see what you are getting at, and it is very true that we are quite good at actually knowing our stuff and being aware of our own doctrines. That was certainly one of the reasons Mormonism has remained attractive to me. I certainly find Mormonism has a heck of a lot of internal consistency.

Perhaps that is where the distinction lies: the factual internal consistency of a faith is something theist and atheist alike can appreciate, but an atheist can't consider that as truth because it is essentially a suspended structure without foundation. The faithful find that grounding through faith and prayer and spiritual confirmation.

couldn't agree with you more, Frubals

[budhabee]

I was going to comment until I finally understood the thread to be about lds. My post concerned lsd. Ah well.

[Starfish]

Originally Posted by misanthropic_clown

I can see what you are getting at, and it is very true that we are quite good at actually knowing our stuff and being aware of our own doctrines. That was certainly one of the reasons Mormonism has remained attractive to me. I certainly find Mormonism has a heck of a lot of internal consistency.

Perhaps that is where the distinction lies: the factual internal consistency of a faith is something theist and atheist alike can appreciate, but an atheist can't consider that as truth because it is essentially a suspended structure without foundation. The faithful find that grounding through faith and prayer and spiritual confirmation.

I also agree.
I took that "internal consistency" for granted, until I discovered the massive inconsistency in mainstream Christianity. It blew me away. Very few religions believing the same thing, all the while calling themselves and each other Christian, and feeling the inconsistencies didn't matter. Be baptized or not? Only Christians are saved, or not? Works count, or they don't?

I am so grateful for our "consistency". I am grateful that I can move anywhere in the world and find the gospel is the same. I am grateful that we have a prophet who helps keep us centered and uniform in the truth. Soooo grateful.

[Father Heathen]

Originally Posted by budhabee

I was going to comment until I finally understood the thread to be about lds. My post concerned lsd. Ah well.

Did you know that the scientist who invented it died a few weeks ago at the age of 102?