Is There Really A God? (priests, Creator, soul, creation)

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by eXiled

No one said human beings appeared at random... at least, I don't think. I haven't read much of this thread, so forgive me, but human beings are the result, scientific result of evolution. Everything, in fact, living is the result of evolution.

As it is so with technology, technology has evolved so much. and it was made because intelligent peolple researched, conceptualized, implemented, made contingencies to make the evolution possible.

so, what is more complex the evolution technology or the evolution of living things?
can you then imagine a spaceship that can travel in light years being created by chance? or does it need intelligent people to make it possibe? intelligent people who plan, study, conceptualize, implement and compensate for the situations that happen?

what do you think? answer the question alone, reflect with your heart, besides you are not accountable to anyone, you are only accountable to your own conscience.

[Hexaqua_David(II)]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

what is wrong with the agument sir?

Well, firstly, no I cannot imagine an X-Box 360 being created at random. However, I know what you are suggesting by this comment. You are using the old "watch in the desert" argument. It falls short of being a real argument because evolution does not suggest that humans/complex life appear at random. I think that's the argument you were using, and somebody before me pointed out its failings but you didn't respond.

- David

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Hexaqua_David(II)

Well, firstly, no I cannot imagine an X-Box 360 being created at random. However, I know what you are suggesting by this comment. You are using the old "watch in the desert" argument. It falls short of being a real argument because evolution does not suggest that humans/complex life appear at random. I think that's the argument you were using, and somebody before me pointed out its failings but you didn't respond.

- David

I responded to every post sir, please reveiew the thread.

Originally Posted by Hexaqua_David(II)

evolution does not suggest that humans/complex life appear at random.

which is exactly my point. hence we agree that evolution does not discount the "possiblity" of an intelligent designer of how things came to be. which then mby simple human logic, if an xbox was created, a more complex living must have been created as well.

Then there are Gods. which answers the question of the thread.

Then do you beleive that living things, since more complex, were creted by an intelligent design?

[Hexaqua_David(II)]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

which is exactly my point. hence we agree that evolution does not discount the "possiblity" of an intelligent designer of how things came to be. which then mby simple human logic, if an xbox was created, a more complex living must have been created as well.

Then there are Gods. which answers the question of the thread.

Then do you beleive that living things, since more complex, were creted by an intelligent design?

*Sobs*

I believe that living things are alive as the most recent end product of a long, slow process of evolution. I believe that there was probably no God involved with this process, although I do not deny the possibility of the existance of one. I do not believe that any kind intelligent being needs to be involved for evolution to work. You consistantly fail to get the point that evolution is more complex than "complex things appearing at random". An X-Box is designed, yes. An X-Box is complex, yes. A human is more complex than an X-Box, very much so. Therefore humans must be designed too, not at all. To understand why, you need to grasp at least the basics of modern evolutionary theory. I suggest wikipedia, the article on evolution there has a lot of great information!

- David

[camanintx]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

Manufacturing, shipping, packaging are decisions made my managers they decide what to manufacture, how to ship and package the products.

a retail store will have purchasers and merchandisers making sure that inventory is sufficient to meet demand. demand is of course tracked using historical data.

meaning the product did not get to the shelf at random.

Global economy is an phenomenon created by a variety of factors, it includes but are not limited too "people intelligently saving and investing money, people in businesses intelligently deciding to borrow from banks and venture in a business, people in government intelligently collects taxes for services and infrastructures"

Global economy did not happen at random, it was created by peoples intelligent creation of systems for civilization.

why would their be an economy major if there is no intelligence behind it? if it came at random, there shouldnt be an intricate framework of how the economy is managed.

besides, why should we use overly complicated concepts?
can you actually imagine an xbox or a playstation to appear at random?

Exactly. Humans did not appear at random fully formed either. We are the result of millions of years of gradual changes much like our economy is the result of numerous individual decisions over time.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by camanintx

Exactly. Humans did not appear at random fully formed either. We are the result of millions of years of gradual changes much like our economy is the result of numerous individual decisions over time.

ok, so is there a God?

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Hexaqua_David(II)

*Sobs*
An X-Box is designed, yes. An X-Box is complex, yes. A human is more complex than an X-Box, very much so. Therefore humans must be designed too, not at all.

Sigh!


how about using plain logic? think outside your box for moment.

[Hexaqua_David(II)]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

Sigh!


how about using plain logic? think outside your box for moment.

What are you talking about? I know your argument inside out, and I know that it is worthless unless you actually understand evolution. I'm sure that if you learn a little about the theory you will realise why the argument is a bit... silly.

- David

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Hexaqua_David(II)

What are you talking about? I know your argument inside out, and I know that it is worthless unless you actually understand evolution. I'm sure that if you learn a little about the theory you will realise why the argument is a bit... silly.

- David

So are you saying you can't use logic to prove your point? are you saying you find the great need to hide behind the theory of evolution?