Personal revelation (crucifixion, virgin, beliefs, evolution, myth)

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

I think the whole question of the "truth" of a religion boils down to personal "revelation".

The existence of God is a personal truth, unproven but believed. The scripture of the religion is "truth" becuase it is believed to be of or by the God. Equally valid is the obverse - because the scripture is believed, God must exist.

The interpretation of scripture is also based on personal revelation and leads to dogma and creeds that have meaning for the individual. Collective individuals make a religion with a commonality of these personal relelations.

"Whatever floats your boat" may be expressed by others as dismissing and negative but, I think, the phrase contains a grand truth.

Bob

[cardero]

Pah writes: I think the whole question of the "truth" of a religion boils down to personal "revelation".

I am not to sure if it has to BE that way though. It can suffice for many people but even revelations can bring more questions (beliefs) than TRUTHs.

Pah writes-The existence of God is a personal truth, unproven but believed. The scripture of the religion is "truth" becuase it is believed to be of or by the God. Equally valid is the obverse - because the scripture is believed, God must exist.

There is no nutritional value in PROVING the existence of GOD and there are no rewards or gains about acquiring such common knowledge no matter what resources you have.

I do not believe that GOD is so concerned about us PROVING His existence to a TRUTH as much as He is interested in us PROVING our own beliefs into TRUTHs and incorporating these TRUTHs honestly into our lives.

There is nothing that can BE considered a TRUTH until it has been PROVEN or DISPROVEN. Even if the TRUTH comes from GOD it still has to undergo the same reasoning methods (whether they BE scientific or logical) as any beliefs that are discarded as UNTRUTHs or concluded as TRUTHs. This is something that people sometimes forget and I have encountered many religions who have proclaimed that they indeed have the TRUTH.

Pah writes: "Whatever floats your boat" may be expressed by others as dismissing and negative but, I think, the phrase contains a grand truth.

“We are all on the same boat” is another grand truth that may Be expressed that reflects where are society stands concerning GOD and the existence of our TRUTHs.

[Ronald]

Originally Posted by pah

I think the whole question of the "truth" of a religion boils down to personal "revelation".

I Think so Too.

Originally Posted by pah

The existence of God is a personal truth, unproven but believed. The scripture of the religion is "truth" becuase it is believed to be of or by the God. Equally valid is the obverse - because the scripture is believed, God must exist.

The interpretation of scripture is also based on personal revelation and leads to dogma and creeds that have meaning for the individual. Collective individuals make a religion with a commonality of these personal relelations.

"Whatever floats your boat" may be expressed by others as dismissing and negative but, I think, the phrase contains a grand truth.

Bob

but, I think, the phrase contains a grand truth.

Oh yes, a grand truth! I salute you, Pah.

[Lightkeeper]

Maybe there is no truth. If we go beyond the opposites, truth wouldn't exist.

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by Lightkeeper

Maybe there is no truth. If we go beyond the opposites, truth wouldn't exist.

I'm not sure what you mean and if it is tied to revelation.

Bob

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by pah

I think the whole question of the "truth" of a religion boils down to personal "revelation".

Really?

So, all distinction between truth and falsity vanishes taking with it any possible distinction between revelation and delusion.

1. Person {A} has a revelation/delusion that G-d created the world around 5800, wiped out most of the world's lifeforms with a Global Flood, liberated the Israelites from the hands of Pharaoh, and orchestrated the virgin birth, crucifixion, and resurrection of His only begotten Son. Whatever floats his boat.
2. Person {B} has a revelation/delusion that methodological naturalism supplies truthful answers about reality, and believes that todays biodiversity the the result of billions of years of evolution. Whatever floats her boat.
3. Person {C} has a revelation/delusion that the infidels must be destroyed to prevent the continued and pernicious spread of Godless naturalism and further suppression of Islam, and that Allah wants his warriors to attack the World Trade Center to send a message. Whatever floats his boat.
4. Person {D} has a revelation/delusion that the thing growing inside her is not overly important, and finds abortion perfectly reasonable. Whatever floats her boat.
5. Person {E} has a revelation/delusion that the abortion clinic should be bombed to save hundreds of babies from abortion. Whatever floats his boat.

and Pah believes that there is really no useful selection criteria - save, perhaps, for the tyranny of the majority - and therefore no objective basis to take issue with any of these folks.

I like Pah, but I'm not quite ready to say: whatever floats his boat.

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

One man's revelation is another man's delsuion. And, in the matter of faith, neither man has any objective truth.

The prime argument of religion can be reduced to "my god told me so" and that is unassailable in proving falsity or truth. Particulars may be reduced to myth or legend and in those, a personal truth can be found and/or confirmed by revelation. "If I'm right....." has as little force as "you are wrong about.....".

It's nice to have confirmation regarding my suppostion about "whatever floats his boat"

Bob

[Ronald]

Well, Pah, it seems a big wind blew your revelation all out of proportion. Alas.
I got it! Even if others don't.

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by Ronald

Well, Pah, it seems a big wind blew your revelation all out of proportion. Alas.
I got it! Even if others don't.

Actually, my thread is a statement of my respect for others. But don't let it be mistaken for acceptance of collective force when imposed on others. I'm still a "street fighter" when that happens.

Bob