Redefining Marriage and all that (sex, faith)

[Draka]

Originally Posted by rheff78

You're not understanding what I'm saying. Gay people saying they want to get married is still an attack on OUR traditional view of marriage. We don't care if you're saying WE should enter into a gay marriage, your views are still a challenge to our views.

And I again have to ask certain questions. You also view marriage as 'holy union" so why aren't you protesting atheists that marry?

Not to mention, that 'traditional views" don't seem to hold up well over time. "Traditionally" a man proposes. Now, a woman may propose. "Traditionally" it is the man responsible for the income and the woman responsible for the home and the kids. Now we have women supporting the families while men stay home and take care of the kids and cook and clean.

Just because something has been "traditionally" done a certain way does not mean that it is appropriate for the times we live in now.

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by rheff78

You're not understanding what I'm saying. Gay people saying they want to get married is still an attack on OUR traditional view of marriage. We don't care if you're saying WE should enter into a gay marriage, your views are still a challenge to our views.

What definition of the word "attack" are you using?

If I watch a TV program you don't approve of in my own home, is this an "attack" on your view of media standards?

Is the existence of other religions an "attack" on your beliefs?

How on Earth can "I do what I want, you do what you want, and they do what they want" be construed as an attack on you, your views or anything about you?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by Draka

And I again have to ask certain questions. You also view marriage as 'holy union" so why aren't you protesting atheists that marry?

And as a sacrament that requires a priest; what about all those people who get married by officiants who have never received the sacrament of Holy Orders or (gasp) are women?

The only view that same-sex marriage attacks is the view that it is the right of one group to impose their beliefs on another... but this is a hollow view; they never had that right to begin with.

[fantôme profane]

Originally Posted by rheff78

Well, in our point of view (being Christians) we believe that trying to get gay marriage IS a challenge to traditional marriage. You are challenging our very definiton of a traditional marriage. So, even though you say you aren't attacking our view of traditional marriage, you still are, in our eyes.

Originally Posted by rheff78

You're not understanding what I'm saying. Gay people saying they want to get married is still an attack on OUR traditional view of marriage. We don't care if you're saying WE should enter into a gay marriage, your views are still a challenge to our views.

By the same logic, (and I do mean exactly the same logic) if you choose to put sauerkraut on your hot dog you are attacking my view of traditional condiments.

The logic is patently absurd. And yes I do understand it, I understand how ridiculous it is.

You have the right to any view you wish. But there is no right that protects you from having your views challenged.