In what religion is god flawed? (Earth, reincarnate, Jehovah, creation)

[Don Penguinoini]

Originally Posted by agent_smith

I'm not trying to be inhuman, I'm trying to make other humans use their brains and stop believing fairy tales!

Prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist. You cannot.
THEISTS have the burden of proof, whether you like it or not. It is YOU who are making positive claims with a huge lack of evidence.
Show me ONE miracle, just one, that I cannot say was coincidence, or a hoax, or never even happened. A healed amputee might be a good place to start looking.

Here's one bit of "proof": You claim something cannot come from nothing. Atheists will reply "Where did God come from then?" and you'll start making up some nonsense about God existing outside of space and time. How about this --
0 = -1 + 1
Something from nothing. No God needed.

Hindu milk miracle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia HERE

[agent_smith]

Originally Posted by penguino

God gave me free will. So i get to control myself. By simply saying god does not exist doesen't mean he/she doesen't. That is irrational. My parents never brainwashed me. Why such a skeptic view on religion? You obviously know nothing about religion or religious people, because most are happy, decent people. I am a child and i know when i am being brainwashed.

By saying Hindu god is irrational, you know NOTHING about hinduism. By saying all religious people are delusional, your more delusional then all of us.

Is it free will if you are punished for making a bad choice?
How can you POSSIBLY prove (and therefore claim) that life is a loop, and does not end with death? That is scientifically impossible and irrational. You are delusional to believe it, and your parents/teachers HAVE brainwashed you to make you think it's true, whether you believe me or not.
I have a "skeptic" view of religion because I was raised a Catholic and, at about the age of 13, realised what a load of silly fairy tales it all was. Your religion is no different, and you are a fool for thinking so.

As for that milk thing, it was a hoax. Have YOU ever seen a miracle before? No, of course not - that is because miracles never happen. You will hear lots of claims about "miracles" - including many from other religions, so what makes you think it is your Gods behind it all and not the Islamic/Jewish/Christian/Pastafarian God doing it all?

MHNATY.

[Don Penguinoini]

Originally Posted by agent_smith

Is it free will if you are punished for making a bad choice?
How can you POSSIBLY prove (and therefore claim) that life is a loop, and does not end with death? That is scientifically impossible and irrational. You are delusional to believe it, and your parents/teachers HAVE brainwashed you to make you think it's true, whether you believe me or not.
I have a "skeptic" view of religion because I was raised a Catholic and, at about the age of 13, realised what a load of silly fairy tales it all was. Your religion is no different, and you are a fool for thinking so.

As for that milk thing, it was a hoax. Have YOU ever seen a miracle before? No, of course not - that is because miracles never happen. You will hear lots of claims about "miracles" - including many from other religions, so what makes you think it is your Gods behind it all and not the Islamic/Jewish/Christian/Pastafarian God doing it all?

MHNATY.

God does not punish me, i don't get punishment. I get KARMA. Karma is a imperishable law. I will get what i give.

Your right, i cant claim life is a loop, but i don't need to prove it to believe it. I am not delusional since you are the one who has a stupid, skeptic view. Funny, i am 13. After reading my religious scriptures, i have even MORE been reinforced my religion. And, dont called me a fool, thats something i am not. Could easliy say the same to you.

That milk thing was not a hoax, i can swear on my god, that we did this in MY house, we poured milk near the trunk, and the milk just disappeared from there, i even lifted it up to see if it went under it, it was just gone.

Ok, you really know absolutely nothing about religion, only about Christianity. Hinduism believe that there is one god. That god is the subject of worship from all religions. Thats is the basic belief.

[agent_smith]

Originally Posted by penguino

God does not punish me, i don't get punishment. I get KARMA. Karma is a imperishable law. I will get what i give.

So nothing bad ever happens to you, after you've only been doing good things? I don't think so.

Originally Posted by penguino

Your right, i cant claim life is a loop, but i don't need to prove it to believe it. I am not delusional since you are the one who has a stupid, skeptic view. Funny, i am 13. After reading my religious scriptures, i have even MORE been reinforced my religion. And, dont called me a fool, thats something i am not. Could easliy say the same to you.

You don't need to prove it to believe it? - That is called blind faith, and is a very stupid thing to have. IF you only get one life, you are wasting it!
"I am not delusional because your view is wrong"? That is a circular argument. In other words, meaningless.
What makes you think your religious scriptures are right, and others are wrong? Because your parents tell you so?
You are a fool for believing things without proof, or even proper evidence.

Originally Posted by penguino

That milk thing was not a hoax, i can swear on my god, that we did this in MY house, we poured milk near the trunk, and the milk just disappeared from there, i even lifted it up to see if it went under it, it was just gone.

Don't lie to me, I am obviously not going to believe your little story even for a second. You might be able to fool theists with your magical stories, but not me. I understand the meaning of the word "logic", unfortunately for you.

Originally Posted by penguino

Ok, you really know absolutely nothing about religion, only about Christianity. Hinduism believe that there is one god. That god is the subject of worship from all religions. Thats is the basic belief.

The first sentence contradicts itself. As for the rest of it, I do not care as it is a fairy tale either way.


Here is another question for you:
What if you die, and are reincarnated into a family who follow another religion? Would you continue to believe the Hindu fairy tale, or the new one? What if the new family were atheist; would you then lose all that hard-earned karma?
And if I killed everyone in the world at once, where would they reincarnate?

You believe whatever you have been told to believe. Wake up.

[Don Penguinoini]

Originally Posted by agent_smith

So nothing bad ever happens to you, after you've only been doing good things? I don't think so.


You don't need to prove it to believe it? - That is called blind faith, and is a very stupid thing to have. IF you only get one life, you are wasting it!
"I am not delusional because your view is wrong"? That is a circular argument. In other words, meaningless.
What makes you think your religious scriptures are right, and others are wrong? Because your parents tell you so?
You are a fool for believing things without proof, or even proper evidence.


Don't lie to me, I am obviously not going to believe your little story even for a second. You might be able to fool theists with your magical stories, but not me. I understand the meaning of the word "logic", unfortunately for you.


The first sentence contradicts itself. As for the rest of it, I do not care as it is a fairy tale either way.


Here is another question for you:
What if you die, and are reincarnated into a family who follow another religion? Would you continue to believe the Hindu fairy tale, or the new one? What if the new family were atheist; would you then lose all that hard-earned karma?
And if I killed everyone in the world at once, where would they reincarnate?

You believe whatever you have been told to believe. Wake up.

When did i EVER say i did only good things. Hows about not putting words in my mouth?

Ill say it again, not all religions are the same. My religion does not say ANYWHRE that other religions are wrong, from the gazillionth time, my religion (hinduism) says that all religions lead to god. Once again, i am not a fool. Don't need to get emotional.

Dont believe it. What the hell do i care? The logic thing, are you trying to say, in sugary words that i am stupid?

If i die, my karma gives me birth accordingly. If i have been a bad person, there is a bad karma that follows me around, do i have a bad life, in this life or the next. Also would depend on my parents. If htey people who loved children no matter what, let them decide what they want, chances i would follow hinduism, or anything for that matter. Atheists are not bad people in Hinduism anyway. As long as they are good people, that is what really matters. People would reincarnate accordingly from their karma they have accumalated. Hope it answered your question.

Waking up? I see things how i want. I am not told to believe anything in my house, my desicion.

[agent_smith]

Originally Posted by penguino

When did i EVER say i did only good things. Hows about not putting words in my mouth?

Nor did I say that. Or at least you've misinterpreted what I wrote. If you've only been doing good things RECENTLY, why does the same number of bad things happen to you AT THAT TIME? (Answer: karma does not exist)

Originally Posted by penguino

Ill say it again, not all religions are the same. My religion does not say ANYWHRE that other religions are wrong, from the gazillionth time, my religion (hinduism) says that all religions lead to god. Once again, i am not a fool. Don't need to get emotional.

Ahh... You're still in the "What if all religions are correct" stage, are you? You have a lot to learn
When you die, SOMETHING is going to happen. That may be death (i.e. the end of everything for you), an afterlife, a rebirth, whatever. It cannot be more than one of those things. If your religion is right, then THOUSANDS of others are wrong! That is the only possibility!

Originally Posted by penguino

Dont believe it. What the hell do i care? The logic thing, are you trying to say, in sugary words that i am stupid?

Why did you try to lie to me and pretend you saw a statue drink milk? Because you thought I'd fall for it? What I'm saying here is that I want to talk to you rationally about things YOU have SEEN - not what others claim to have seen, or told you to believe, or things you have read in a book.
Ever SEEN a miracle before? No. (Because God is imaginary.)

Originally Posted by penguino

If i die, my karma gives me birth accordingly. If i have been a bad person, there is a bad karma that follows me around, do i have a bad life, in this life or the next. Also would depend on my parents. If htey people who loved children no matter what, let them decide what they want, chances i would follow hinduism, or anything for that matter. Atheists are not bad people in Hinduism anyway. As long as they are good people, that is what really matters. People would reincarnate accordingly from their karma they have accumalated. Hope it answered your question.

So... What's the point in Hinduism in the first place if belief in the Hindu God is unimportant? And if you carry no memories on from your previous life(s), how can you know - in your next life - what you are meant to believe unless you are told? What if you are told lies?

Originally Posted by penguino

Waking up? I see things how i want. I am not told to believe anything in my house, my desicion.

Well wishing is a logical fallacy
Your parent(s) are Hindus, yes? If you were born in another family, they would be in a different religion and you would not be Hindus.
As stated earlier, all religions cannot be right. If you believe whatever you were born into, then you might have been born into a false religion without really having any choice. How do you know you weren't? Has God ever spoken to you? No? Oh well.

[Don Penguinoini]

You have all the answers.. I give up O lord Smith i concede unto you

[Don Penguinoini]

1. Yes, ok, back it up.

2. No, i dont have a lot to learn, its what my scriptures say... You have a lot to learn.

3. I wasn't lying. I wouldn't lie about something like that. Dont accuse me of being a liar, that stuff ****** me of.

4. In hinduism, the point in life to break free rom the cycle of rebirth and be with god. Being a good person gets you there. Athiest and good person won't get you god, it will make your karma good. People dont need to be told things. People can see things in the news, read books, watch TV on religions, from that they can decide, or, as you said, theyy can be told about something and they can just be told about something and be automatically attracted to it. Or they can be brainwashed, as you said.

5. I am not going to EVEN bother with you, nothing i have said you have understood so you can change your arguement. You still bang on about that some religions are false crap.

[agent_smith]

Originally Posted by penguino

You have all the answers.. I give up O lord Smith i concede unto you

Clearly not, since you still believe in fairy tales.

[Don Penguinoini]

Originally Posted by agent_smith

Clearly not, since you still believe in fairy tales.

I dont respect you calling my religion a fairy tales. No need to get rude about it.