Prophet or disciple ? (Jesus, reject, Earth, gospel, followers)

[killah247]

If Jesus is God, why were his disciples never called a *Prophet* ?

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by killah247

If Jesus is God, why were his disciples never called a *Prophet* ?

lol! That's a good question.

[HelpMe]

i would call john a prophet.but why would each of his disciples be called a prophet?

[Linus]

Good point HelpMe. A prohet is one who tells of something to come. So His disciples would only be followers, not foretellers. There is no reason to call them prophets unless I missed something.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by Linus

Good point HelpMe. A prohet is one who tells of something to come. So His disciples would only be followers, not foretellers. There is no reason to call them prophets unless I missed something.

I guess I have a different definition of prophet. A prophet is someone who is chosen by God to relate the word of God to the people. They're role isn't so much to predict the future as it is to tell people when they have strayed from the correct path. Since Christians say that Jesus was God and Jesus told his disciples to go spread the word, it would make his disciples prophets.

[HelpMe]

*trinitarians* believe jesus was equal to his father.

[Linus]

Originally Posted by lilithu

I guess I have a different definition of prophet. A prophet is someone who is chosen by God to relate the word of God to the people. They're role isn't so much to predict the future as it is to tell people when they have strayed from the correct path. Since Christians say that Jesus was God and Jesus told his disciples to go spread the word, it would make his disciples prophets.

You do have a point here, but I think that prophets functioned while God was not on the earth. All the Old Testament prophets prophesied when God (Jesus) was not on the earth. But maybe when Jesus came to earth, they were no longer prophets. I don't know the answer for sure. There is a passage in Ephesians (Eph. 4:11) that says that Jesus, in order to prepare the Church for His departure, set up some people to be prophets and others apostles. So, there is clearly a difference.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by HelpMe

*trinitarians* believe jesus was equal to his father.

Most self-identified Christians are trinitarians. And most trinitarian Christians would say that unitarian Christians aren't really Christian. If one rejects what is generally considered to be the central core of Christianity, how can one be a Christian?

[HelpMe]

so yeshua was not a jew for he rejected many of the erronous jewish teachings of his time?i'm not a unitarian, i'm an arian(Joh8:38/1Joh1:3).the central core of christianity as layed out by the bible is more important than popular concensus, which centuries ago was to commit genocide(inquisition), simply because x amount of people do something does not make it alright.the trinity is not central, nor is their existence of it in the church prior to the third century.

the statement "most trinitarian Christians would say that unitarian Christians aren't really Christian" proves nothing for it may well be assumed 'most unitarian christians would say that trinitarian christians aren't really christian'.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by HelpMe

so yeshua was not a jew for he rejected many of the erronous jewish teachings of his time?

Where did I say anything like that?

Originally Posted by HelpMe

i'm not a unitarian, i'm an arian(Joh8:38/1Joh1:3).

First, I did not mean Unitarian as in member of the Unitarian church, which is largely non-Christian anyway. I meant unitarian, as opposed to trinitarian - someone who espouses the unity of God. The Arians were unitarians.

Second, you claim to be an Arian. But no Arian would claim that the central core of Christianity was to be found in John, which more than any of the other gospels presents Jesus as God incarnate.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:16

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. John 6:51

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. John 11:25

Originally Posted by HelpMe

the central core of christianity as layed out by the bible is more important than popular concensus, which centuries ago was to commit genocide(inquisition), simply because x amount of people do something does not make it alright.the trinity is not central, nor is their existence of it in the church prior to the third century.

What is the central core of Christianity? I tried looking up the verses that you reference - near as I could make them out - but they didn't make sense to me.

Originally Posted by HelpMe

the statement "most trinitarian Christians would say that unitarian Christians aren't really Christian" proves nothing for it may well be assumed 'most unitarian christians would say that trinitarian christians aren't really christian'.

I did not state it as "proof" of its veracity. I stated it because it is the most commonly accepted definition of Christianity. You can argue that true Christians are the ones who accept what you deem to be the central core of Christianity. And other people will argue that true Christians are the ones who accept what they deem to be the central core of Christianity. As a non-Christian, I will go with the consensus as to what Christianity is, just as a matter of definition, having nothing to do with the truth or falsity of either position.

Moreover, you still have not explained your view of what "Christ" is. If you call yourself a Christian, I would think that by definition you must believe in Christ.