Did Jesus say he was God??? (moral, Earth, Messiah, virgin)

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by kmkemp

Even if you believe that Yeshua is not God,

Which I don't. This should be self evident from the other thread (Is Trinity In The Bible?).....

Originally Posted by kmkemp

how is what you are saying at all relevant?

Once again I must direct you to the question/title of the thread (Is Jesus God in the flesh?). Yeshua while in heaven was not in the flesh (John 6:38) and so before coming here, "if" he is in spirit he reveals to us that his will is seperate from God. And if God is spirit (from what Yeshua said) and Yeshua was not in human form before coming here then they are not the same.

Originally Posted by kmkemp

Do you really just want to start yet another debate about it here??

Actually if you care to dip back you will see that I have cited John 6:38 before. So I fail to understand what you mean by "start another debate"....

Originally Posted by kmkemp

Even if Yeshua was not God,

Which he wasn't....

Originally Posted by kmkemp

scripture at least shows time and again that he wielded the power of God.

So by this logic we are to assume that because he performed miracles this makes him God???? The problem with your statement is that it is Yeshua who says that what he did was a result of the power that God granted him. For some one to be granted something some one has to be the grantor.


Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.


Luke 11:20
But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.


John 13:3,4
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands........

[Muffled]

Originally Posted by Somkid

Starting with the supposition that one does believe bible to accurate and seeing how God reacted to most situations in the old testament that peeved him, thunder bolts and lightning the destruction of this city and that town etc, etc, etc... would it not be logical for Jesus to lay waste to Roam for trying to crucify him if he was god?

The Roman Empire gets off the hook when Pontius Pilot declares Jesus innocent of the charges. Yes. Jesus could have prevented His crucifixion. However he had stated previously that it was His purpose to be crucified. The "What would God do" question, is only speculation.

[Quath]

Originally Posted by Muffled

The Roman Empire gets off the hook when Pontius Pilot declares Jesus innocent of the charges. Yes. Jesus could have prevented His crucifixion. However he had stated previously that it was His purpose to be crucified. The "What would God do" question, is only speculation.

I doubt that Pilate cleared Jesus. I think that was Christians trying to revise their history so it did appear their leader was an insurgent.

[namguy]

Originally Posted by ChristineES

Most Christians believe that Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. Oh, and Kadzbiz, this is not a court.

Indeed so...peroiod

[namguy]

Originally Posted by Dream Angel

One question. If jesus was God, How can he be the son of God?

The Trinity, God The Father is the Son, The Son is the Father, The Spirit is Christ & God The Father.
"No one goes to The Father except through The Son."

This is reffered too as a 'mystery of faith.' When the Saved go into Heaven, then we'll understand this mystery, not before.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by namguy

The Trinity, God The Father is the Son, The Son is the Father, The Spirit is Christ & God The Father.

I'm sorry, but could you quote chapter and verse for me on that one? I must have missed it.

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by namguy

The Trinity, God The Father is the Son, The Son is the Father, The Spirit is Christ & God The Father.
"No one goes to The Father except through The Son."

This is reffered too as a 'mystery of faith.' When the Saved go into Heaven, then we'll understand this mystery, not before.

Namguy, this is not the generally understood definition of the Trinity, this may help (hopefully):

Trinity /Trin´i·ty/ (?), n. [OE. trinitee, F. trinité, L. trinitas, fr. trini three each. See Trinal.] 1. (Christian Theol.) The union of three persons (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost) in one Godhead, so that all the three are one God as to substance, but three persons as to individuality.


This is a good thread, a lot of questions have been asked, when I first became a Christian I believed Jesus' Deity and The Trinity because I was supposed to but when I started to question it I could not get a satisfactory answer, so I prayed and prayed, I searched the scriptures even scrutinized them, I questioned it constantly. That Jesus is God who became a man without ceasing to be God and that God is One God and Three persons was the only conclusion I could come to without making the scriptures heavily contradictory.
I'm just glad I got my answers in this manner instead of blindly following a church.

[DallasApple]

Jeusus was human perfection..Unlike the rest of us..

A relational vessel for the weak of faith and the srtong.

We can see ourselves in Him becuase he bleeds..He hungers and He thirst. and He weeps...But yet He was perfect..

God "humanized"...

I grapple with this question..IS JESUS God...

I think so...as we are created in Gods image..

Jesus was as well...But He was perfect..Unlike the rest of us..

Sometimes I get mad at God for not "protecting" Jesus...

Maybe just maybe...Its because God and Jesus are the same..and God sacrificed Himself..Called Himself the son so we might undertand..

Blessings

Dallas