Did Jesus say he was God???

[Mark2020]

Originally Posted by Shermana

Talk about "Useless words".

lol
So go get the originals.
And try to read your own posts.

[Dirty Penguin]

Codex Sinaiticus
Roman 9:1-5
I speak the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience bearing me testimony in the Holy Spirit, that I have great grief and unceasing sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom belong the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the religious service, and the promises; whose are the fathers, and from whom is Christ according to the flesh: who is over all, God blessed for ever, Amen.

Good grief.....Romans 9:1-5 has absolutely nothing to do with Yeshua being "God".

Paul uses a similar expression to 9:5 at (2 Corinthians 11:31)

2 Corinthians 11:32
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knows that I lie not.

[Mark2020]

Originally Posted by Dirty Penguin

Agreed...

Of course you do.

[Mark2020]

Originally Posted by Dirty Penguin

Codex Sinaiticus
Roman 9:1-5
...

You don't understand your own words.
And the quote is wrong.

[Mark2020]

Before trying to discuss the English translation, get the Greek and discuss it.

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by Mark2020

And the quote is wrong.

Sure it is......

[Mark2020]

Of course you'll follow in Shormanas steps calling all translators in all languages bad.

(Romans 9:5 [NIV])
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

(Romans 9:5 [TR])
ων οι πατερες και εξ ων ο χριστος το κατα σαρκα ο ων επι παντων θεος ευλογητος εις τους αιωνας αμην

(Romans 9:5 [CopticB])
ⲛⲏ ⲉⲧⲉ `ⲛⲟⲩⲟⲩ ⲛⲉ ⲛⲓⲓⲟϯ ⲟⲩⲟϩ `ⲛⲑⲱⲟⲩ ⲟⲛ ⲁ ⲡ̅ⲭ̅ⲥ `ⲓ `ⲉⲃⲟⲗ `ⲛϧⲏⲧⲟⲩ ⲕⲁⲧⲁ ⲥⲁⲣⲝ ⲫⲏ ⲉⲧⲭⲏ ϩⲓϫⲉⲛ ⲟⲩⲟⲛ ⲛⲓⲃⲉⲛ ⲫϯ ⲉⲧ`ⲥⲙⲁⲣⲱⲟⲩⲧ ϣⲁ ⲉⲛⲉϩ ⲁⲙⲏⲛ

(Romans 9:5 [Peshitta])
ܘܐܒܗܬܐ ܘܡܢܗܘܢ ܐܬܚܙܝ ܡܫܝܚܐ ܒܒܤܪ ܕܐܝܬܘܗܝ ܐܠܗܐ ܕܥܠ ܟܠ ܕܠܗ ܬܫܒܚܢ ܘܒܘܪܟܢ ܠܥܠܡ ܥܠܡܝܢ ܐܡܝܢ ܀

(Romans 9:5 [AraSVDV])
وَلَهُمُ الآبَاءُ، وَمِنْهُمُ الْمَسِيحُ حَسَبَ الْجَسَدِ، الْكَائِنُ عَلَى الْكُلِّ إِلهًا مُبَارَكًا إِلَى الأَبَدِ. آمِينَ.

(Romans 9:5 [ESV])
To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

(Romans 9:5 [Luther])
welcher auch sind die Väter, und aus welchen Christus herkommt nach dem Fleisch, der da ist Gott über alles, gelobt in Ewigkeit. Amen.

(Romans 9:5 [DarbyFR]) sont les pères, et desquels, selon la chair, est issus le Christ, qui est sur toutes choses Dieu béni éternellement. Amen!

(Romans 9:5 [IRB]) dei quali sono i padri, e dai quali è venuto, secondo la carne, il Cristo, che è sopra tutte le cose Dio benedetto in eterno. Amen.

(Romans 9:5 [NET]) To them belong the patriarchs, and from them, by human descent, came the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever! Amen.

(Romans 9:5 [CopticS]) ΝΑΙ ΕΤΕΝΟΥΟΥ ΝΕ ΝΕΙΟΤΕ ΑΥШ ΝΤΑ ΠΕΧΡΙСΤΟС ΕΙ ΕΒΟΛ ΝϨΗΤΟΥ ΚΑΤΑ СΑΡΞ ΠΝΟΥΤΕ ΕΤϨΙϪΝ ΟΥΟΝ ΝΙΜ ΠΕΤСΜΑΜΑΑΤ ϢΑ ΝΙΕΝΕϨ ϨΑΜΗΝ.

(Romans 9:5 [LEB]) to whom belong the patriarchs, and from whom is the Christ according to human descent, who is God over all, blessed forever! Amen.

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by Mark2020

Before trying to discuss the English translation, get the Greek and discuss it.

Romans 9:5 Biblos Interlinear Bible

Codex Sinaiticus
whose are the fathers, and from whom is Christ according to the flesh: who is over all, God blessed for ever, Amen.

KJV
Whose are the fathers and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came who is over all God blessed for ever Amen

Douay Rheims
Whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all things, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Darby Translation
whose are the fathers; and of whom, as according to flesh, is the Christ, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

English Revised Version
whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Webster's Bible Translation
Whose are the fathers, and from whom according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Weymouth New Testament
To them the Patriarchs belong, and from them in respect of His human lineage came the Christ, who is exalted above all, God blessed throughout the Ages. Amen.

World English Bible
of whom are the fathers, and from whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God, blessed forever. Amen.

Young's Literal Translation
whose are the fathers, and of whom is the Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed to the ages. Amen.

Revised Standard Version (Bible revised by 50 cooperating Christian denominations)
to them belong the patriarchs, and from them, according to the flesh, comes the Messiah, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

And I agree with them all. Yeshua is not God in that verse.........


2 Corinthians 11:32
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knows that I lie not.

[Mark2020]

Originally Posted by Dirty Penguin

..

You consider this Greek?

And before putting your head behind your hand go check your verse reference and its Greek and the Codex Sinaticus, and tell me where you got these commas from.

(Romans 9:5 [NIV])
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

(Romans 9:5 [TR])
ων οι πατερες και εξ ων ο χριστος το κατα σαρκα ο ων επι παντων θεος ευλογητος εις τους αιωνας αμην

It's obvious in English, Greek, and all translations (including the ancient ones) that I quoted.

If you want to discuss it, then do so in Greek.

Even from your link:
θεὸς : Noun (God)
εὐλογητὸς : Adjective (blessed)

[JacobEzra]

1 John 5
This is he that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ: not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit which testifieth, that Christ is the truth. [7] And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.