Did Jesus say he was God???

[waitasec]

Originally Posted by Adonis65

I agree. Personal freedoms should prevail -- just not at the cost of society. Some people may believe that stealing from the rich would constitute a personal freedom. Or perhaps others might believe that running around in public with no clothes on is a personal freedom. I'm sure others would love to be able to get drunk in public, or shoot up heroin on public school grounds and call these personal freedoms. Some parents consume alcohol in front of their children, and at times, unintentionally drink to excess. Oops, now what? Does the child get smacked around at this point, or does dad doze off in a drunken stupor and leave the kids unattended?

see what you are doing here is assuming everyone is a deviant...that isn't the case...not by a long shot... my personal freedoms ends where yours begins...so of course stealing, lying, killing, and adhering to double standards are all apart of over stepping the boundary...

My point is this. Personal beliefs and personal freedoms should go hand in hand.

the problem with that people will be constantly infringing one the inalienable rights of others...there needs to be a standard if not then it is anarchy.
because the human primate has learned the value of solidarity , for with out it we cannot survive, we would be no better then a bunch of chickens locked up in a pen pecking each other to death...

I like to use my personal beliefs to help govern my actions, and in doing so, I am able to enjoy personal freedoms in a civil society. This philosophy has kept me out of prison, and has helped me lead a very fulfilled life.

good for you, just so long as you do not impose these beliefs on anyone else...

[anthony55]

sher:

Does Jesus have to say "I am not Elvis!"

Off topic and dumb question..

[anthony55]

Originally Posted by Dirty Penguin

And you do if you think there is a verse in your scripture where he said he is. Your scriptures show that he wasn't. This is why I said we're at a stalemate.

It seems apparent to me that you have a difficulty understanding or discerning when a person makes a affirmative statement, or asks a probing question.

[waitasec]

Originally Posted by anthony55

sher:



Off topic and dumb question..

Originally Posted by anthony55

It seems apparent to me that you have a difficulty understanding or discerning when a person makes a affirmative statement, or asks a probing question.

i see you are doing the same thing over and over, you're not expecting a different result are you...?

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by anthony55

It seems apparent to me that you have a difficulty understanding or discerning when a person makes a affirmative statement, or asks a probing question.

Oh please....

John 17:3 is an affirmative statement.....

'You are the one true god and I am the anointed one whom you've sent"

Mark 10:18 is both a question and an affirmative statement....

'Why call me good? There is none good except "God" alone'

No, I think I understand them quite well....

Try again...........

[Shermana]

Originally Posted by Muffled

Yes. I did correct my misunderstanding in a later post after studying the Hebrew. Whether God was in the spirit or in the flesh, Jesus still used the name "I Am."

How many gods are you claiming that God acknowledges? Do you really think that He is in favor of exalting a different God? What about the first commandment?

That is exactly what Jesus says "I and My Father are one." How many fathers are called God? If He is God and The Father then He is The Everlasting "I Am."

I am not sure what your argument is here. Of course Jesus is not talking about His body as a representation of God. He is talking about The Spirit of God which resides within the body that is revealed through His words and actions. That is the only way God can be seen.

Psalm 136:2 "God of the gods"

As for using the "Name" I am, Jesus did not give it as a name but as a reply. It would have to be as a name, and it would be "I shall be{" rather than "I am". Otherwise, anytime Jesus says "I am" you can say he's using the name. But he's referring to his pre-existence such as Jeremiah who was known "before the womb".

Well then, angels are called gods. Angels are bowed down to. He is to be worshipped as the MOST HIGH. The Tanakh is more "Henotheistic" than anything. The word "god" itself is an issue, the word "Ayel" means "Strong one", the word Elohim (which has a singular verb conjugation) is the Majestic Plural of the concept of "god", "THE God".

As for John 10:30, are the Disciples all part of the Trinity too, as mentioned in chapter 14? "Let them be one as we are one". So if Jesus and the Father are one, the Disciples are God too? Nope. Jesus is being metaphorical about their purpose. You are ignoring all the times Jesus separates himself. Even in Revelation, Yashua is but the messenger of the Father.

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by Shermana

Psalm 136:2 "God of the gods"

As for using the "Name" I am, Jesus did not give it as a name but as a reply. It would have to be as a name, and it would be "I shall be{" rather than "I am". Otherwise, anytime Jesus says "I am" you can say he's using the name. But he's referring to his pre-existence such as Jeremiah who was known "before the womb".

As for John 10:30, are the Disciples all part of the Trinity too, as mentioned in chapter 14? "Let them be one as we are one". So if Jesus and the Father are one, the Disciples are God too? Nope. Jesus is being metaphorical about their purpose. You are ignoring all the times Jesus separates himself. Even in Revelation, Yashua is but the messenger of the Father.

Been there and done that with him....

[anthony55]

dp:

Oh please....

Oh please nothing.

John 17:3 is an affirmative statement.....

Of course it is, but we were not discussing Jn 17:3 remember ? Can you recall what we were discussing and you made the false statement, That Jesus said I am not God ?

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by anthony55

Of course it is, but we were not discussing Jn 17:3 remember ? Can you recall what we were discussing and you made the false statement, That Jesus said I am not God ?

Oh goody......now you make a false accusation against me. Please show where, in my discourse with you, I made such a statement. Now I do remember saying 'your scriptures show that he and his god are separate'.....

[anthony55]

dp:

Oh goody......now you make a false accusation against me. Please show where, in my discourse with you, I made such a statement.

Duh, clearly thats your intent and insinuation in post # 2849