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Old 05-19-2008, 03:51 PM
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To do what - it still makes it an errand boy of sorts.
Does your hand complain when it grabs the cold glass of water I just gave you?
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To do what - it still makes it an errand boy of sorts.
no, not really. only an errand boy if you understand it as being apart from God, not another name for God's guiding spirit of discernment and peace.

and in Christian belief, at least among many Christians i have lived and worshiped with, the Holy Spirit gives faith, peace, spiritual clarity, and understanding. it proceeds from God and from Yesu, Jesus His Son, yet in my own understanding, i don't see the Holy Spirit as a being to be worshiped, but more simply as God's spiritual light and breath working within and among us.
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no, not really. only an errand boy if you understand it as being apart from God, not another name for God's guiding spirit of discernment and peace.

and in Christian belief, at least among many Christians i have lived and worshiped with, the Holy Spirit gives faith, peace, spiritual clarity, and understanding. it proceeds from God and from Yesu, Jesus His Son, yet in my own understanding, i don't see the Holy Spirit as a being to be worshiped, but more simply as God's spiritual light and breath working within and among us.
So the holy spirit does not exist, i.e. is just a function of god the father.
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So the holy spirit does not exist, i.e. is just a function of god the father.
Then why did Jesus command us to be baptized into the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
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Then why did Jesus command us to be baptized into the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

Where did it say that in the bible?

There were a few theologans who didn't quote it that way. There was no mention of (father, son, holy spirit)........

All that remains of actual scripture in regards to Matthew is from the 4th century...(so I've read)....Anything before that is no more....BUT!!!!

Eusebius quoted it as;

“Mt. 28:18: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mt. 28:19: Go ye, and make disciples of all nations in my name:
Mt. 28:20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”

Quotation found in his “Oration in praise of the Emperor Constantine,” Chapter XVI, (335 A.D.), in “The Church History of Eusebius”, Book III, Chapter V (324 A.D.). in his Demonstratio Evangelica Book III, Chapter 6 (318 A.D.), in his Theophania
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Where did it say that in the bible?
Matthew 3:11 off the top of my head. I could go find a few more references. (King James btw..)
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Where did it say that in the bible?

There were a few theologans who didn't quote it that way. There was no mention of (father, son, holy spirit)........

All that remains of actual scripture in regards to Matthew is from the 4th century...(so I've read)....Anything before that is no more....BUT!!!!

Eusebius quoted it as;

“Mt. 28:18: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mt. 28:19: Go ye, and make disciples of all nations in my name:
Mt. 28:20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”

Quotation found in his “Oration in praise of the Emperor Constantine,” Chapter XVI, (335 A.D.), in “The Church History of Eusebius”, Book III, Chapter V (324 A.D.). in his Demonstratio Evangelica Book III, Chapter 6 (318 A.D.), in his Theophania
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16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Notice they worshiped him and he didn't stop them.
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