Did Jesus say he was God??? (moral, Earth, Messiah, virgin)

[kai]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

Yet we can agree that Christianity is the religion of God. There is no doubt. Even when some would like to drive little wedges between us. Christians do not doubt that the God of Abreaham is the God of Jesus, neither do Baha`i's.

Regards,
Scott

oh yes Christianity is the religion of a God, and they all believe their god is the god of Abraham, that all came from trying to legitimize each new faith at its beginning, its just i don't think Abraham has a say in it anymore do you. people just use him to justify their own "true" faith. otherwise lets face it , it would be a new religion with a new god and far less likely to take root so---------- they give it some roots

Jeremy Mason is not likely to accept bahai any more than you are going to accept jesus as part of the trinity so the diferences are not little wedges but huge great chunks of dogma no matter how much you argue over scripture its all down to faith.

if it as down to minor wedges there would only be one religion of abraham not four majors and countless minors

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by kai

oh yes Christianity is the religion of a God, and they all believe their god is the god of Abraham, that all came from trying to legitimize each new faith at its beginning, its just i don't think Abraham has a say in it anymore do you. people just use him to justify their own "true" faith. otherwise lets face it , it would be a new religion with a new god and far less likely to take root so---------- they give it some roots

Jeremy Mason is not likely to accept bahai any more than you are going to accept jesus as part of the trinity so the diferences are not little wedges but huge great chunks of dogma no matter how much you argue over scripture its all down to faith.

if it as down to minor wedges there would only be one religion of abraham not four majors and countless minors

"I'm Henery the Eighth, I am.
Henery the Eighth, I am, Iam . . . . . "

Regards,
Scott

[UnityNow101]

As long as we are all lead by the need to feel secure or right, than we can and never will come to know the truth. As I have said before, debates such as these are of very little importance. Is Jesus God? Is there real evidence to support either side of the argument? No, unless you accept the words of a book as absolute truth. And there is no reasonable person that would do such a thing. And if you do accept one book as truth, what is going to make you drop that one and believe another. A truly Divine experience? It is highly unlikely. More often than not, it will be just another attempt of mental security and the need to feel right. Why defend something which cannot be proven? If God is the author of the Bible, Koran or Bahai scriptures, is he not able to prove it in other ways besides words written hundreds and even thousands of years ago? If not, than he can hardly be called all-powerful and there is a real question as to whether you should be worshipping such a being.

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

Here is the section in question in a more literal translation (oung's Literal Translation):


"
John 1


1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
2this one was in the beginning with God;
3all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happeJohn 1


1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
2this one was in the beginning with God;
3all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened.
4In him was life, and the life was the light of men, 5and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it. ned.

4In him was life, and the life was the light of men, 5and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it.

Note the pronoun before the phrase in red. This is a clear reference to GOD, not the Word.

Not that ou understand the meaning of "the Word" much at all.

Regards,
Scott

Scott, for a minute there I thought you and I were on the same page. You have quoted Manifestation of God in other threads. Think about what you are saying. God manifested in human form, not just spiritually but physically. The word manifest should clue you in. right?

[kai]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

"I'm Henery the Eighth, I am.
Henery the Eighth, I am, Iam . . . . . "

Regards,
Scott

he has finally flipped folks, he has taken on a cockeny accent and lost the plot

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by kai

he has finally flipped folks, he has taken on a cockeny accent and lost the plot

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

Scott, for a minute there I thought you and I were on the same page. You have quoted Manifestation of God in other threads. Think about what you are saying. God manifested in human form, not just spiritually but physically. The word manifest should clue you in. right?

God made a Prophet "Manifest". He did not manifest Himself anymore than He already has. "God the Most Manifest of the Manifest, Most Hidden of the Hidden."

I agree that Jesus is the closest thing man can perceive to God, as was Moses, or Muhammed, or Buddha or Baha`u'llah or any of the others.

God does not pour Himself into the form of a man and remain God, one cannot pour the waters of the earth into a teacup--one just gets an almost full teacup (some will be lost to the effects of splashing) and a huge puddle. The puddle remains God and the teacup stays a teacup.

On the other hand any human spirit filled to that point with the Holy SPirit will appear to be God. So we are not arguing as much as you think.

Regards,
Scott

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by kai

he has finally flipped folks, he has taken on a cockeny accent and lost the plot

In other words, Kai: "Second verse, same as the first . . . . ."

Regards,
Scott

[kai]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

In other words, Kai: "Second verse, same as the first . . . . ."

Regards,
Scott

Oh i am well aware of the fact i am repeating myself ,crying in the wilderness so to speak, the argument is pointless , unless you are trying to convert one another, there is no point to the argument
you have different faiths
you beleive different things
your Gods have different natures

to be blunt you argue over ancient scripture like its historical fact , when its all about faith . yur view of God is of the nature of Allah, unknowable, inaccessible which is of course your beleif and you are entitled to it

Jeremy is a christian his beleifs are different and he is entitled to them as you are to yours . but at the end of the day you are arguing over beleifs no amount of pondering over ancient manuscripts trying to put over what someone meant by this phrase or that will turn either of you from your own set of beleifs because brush me off if you like, but the fact is your Gods are different .and you both think you have the truth.