Did Jesus say he was God??? (moral, Earth, Messiah, virgin)

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

It's an analogy which sophist's used as well I suppose... Never-the-less, what about the analogy do you not understand?

I understand that it is nonsense. Comparing God to an egg gains what, exactly?

God is without comparison, beyond our complete understanding, Single and Mysterious. You want to crack Him and cook Him for breakfast?

ou might as well say God is a sardine, or a walnut, or loose-pin hinge. As an analogy it is nonsensical.

Regards,

Scott

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

I understand that it is nonsense. Comparing God to an egg gains what, exactly?

God is without comparison, beyond our complete understanding, Single and Mysterious. You want to crack Him and cook Him for breakfast?

ou might as well say God is a sardine, or a walnut, or loose-pin hinge. As an analogy it is nonsensical.

Regards,

Scott

Ok scott-- I've tried the old fashion way of showing you (in Scripture) where Jesus said he was God several times in the past. Obviously analogies are off the list of ways to communicate w/ you. What about parables?

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

Ok scott-- I've tried the old fashion way of showing you (in Scripture) where Jesus said he was God several times in the past. Obviously analogies are off the list of ways to communicate w/ you. What about parables?

I like parables just fione, thank you. Fire when ready!

Regards,
Scott

[UnityNow101]

Even if, and that is a huge if, Jesus said that he was indeed God Almighty, would that make it so? Does it matter whether he said this or not? In my opinion, Jesus never stated that he was God and said that he had a God. But does any of it matter? If he said that he was God, is there evidence now to support that? Absolutely not. It is mere opinion and belief. The only thing that's different is many peoples perception of God...Instead of an unknown entity which cannot even begin to be understood, we have a god which can be confined to a certain time period, a certain race/nationality. It is hard for some people to grasp the unknown, therefore they hold onto what they feel that they understand. That a man was God, only to disappear and be as it was before the arrival of that man.

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

I like parables just fione, thank you. Fire when ready!

Regards,
Scott

The Parable of the Sower

Mark 4:1-20
1Again Jesus began to teach by the lake. The crowd that gathered around him was so large that he got into a boat and sat in it out on the lake, while all the people were along the shore at the water's edge. 2He taught them many things by parables, and in his teaching said: 3"Listen! A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants, so that they did not bear grain. 8Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up, grew and produced a crop, multiplying thirty, sixty, or even a hundred times." 9Then Jesus said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that,
" 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'[a]"
13Then Jesus said to them, "Don't you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable? 14The farmer sows the word. 15Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them. 16Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 18Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; 19but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful. 20Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop—thirty, sixty or even a hundred times what was sown."

Luke 8:11-15 (NIV)

11"This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. 12Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. 14The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life's worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature. 15But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.

John 1

The Word Became Flesh

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.



The Word is Jesus who was with God the Father and the Word/Jesus was/is God.

[Popeyesays]

Here is the section in question in a more literal translation (oung's Literal Translation):

"
John 1


1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
2this one was in the beginning with God;
3all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happeJohn 1


1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
2this one was in the beginning with God;
3all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened.
4In him was life, and the life was the light of men, 5and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it. ned.

4In him was life, and the life was the light of men, 5and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it.

Note the pronoun before the phrase in red. This is a clear reference to GOD, not the Word.

Not that ou understand the meaning of "the Word" much at all.

Regards,
Scott

[kai]

jeremy mason, your arguments in favour of your position are worthy but pointless with someone who worships and percieves their god in such a different manner to you that i prefer to beleive they are no longer even worshiping the same god.
to explain the nature of the christian god to an islamic based faith is pointless, the nature of Allah is not the nature of the christian god.

[Muffled]

Originally Posted by oldtest.

now i want you to read each one again and actually show where jesus says he is God... the high priest asked him by the living God, TEll us are you the son of living God and jesus answered him you say i am, perfect time for him to add in i am the son of God amongst all those i am's or when plainly asked still no to the point answer or statement saying "I am the son of God or that he is God, these are all overwhelming assumptions that when truly examined one has to agree that all these instances theres room for questioning and even more for doubt, even jesus said it himself if any man do his will , he will know if he speaks of God or himself ,even that verse lets you know that he is not God and that theres a chance that he is speaking of himself in which case one would have to ask if he were speaking of himself there