Did Jesus say he was God??? (moral, Earth, Messiah, virgin)

[crystalonyx]

Nobody on this board can prove a historical Jesus even EXISTED, more or less the divinity of said individual. To make outrageous claims like these seem quite irresponsible.

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by crystalonyx

Nobody on this board can prove a historical Jesus even EXISTED,

I agree....

Originally Posted by crystalonyx

more or less the divinity of said individual. To make outrageous claims like these seem quite irresponsible.

Divinity (as in deity) can not be proven. Divinity (as in being GIVEN power) is in the bible. If I'm being questioned on the information that exist in that book (four gospels)....then it is a screaming NO!!!......Those scriptures contradict the assertion he is God.

The list of quotes at the beginning of this thread were from all over the bible....and taken out of their context....

The OP said he had "OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE"....but as you can clearly see....he was in error and we are now 1,153 post later with no conclusion in sight.

[lew0049]

Originally Posted by crystalonyx

Nobody on this board can prove a historical Jesus even EXISTED, more or less the divinity of said individual. To make outrageous claims like these seem quite irresponsible.

I'm sorry but I, for one, am confident enough - based on the evidence presented - that Jesus did exist. I used to me a sceptic and that it's perfectly acceptable to believe he did not, but I hope that your conclusion is not ill-conceived. Irresponsible though? If you want to look at the evidence for and against Jesus existing then so be it, but you will be arguing against MANY of the scholars of the anicent world - and that is a fact.

As far as your response Dregod - make sure it is not you that is not taking verses out of context because I was in middle ground, so to speak, and I found the evidence for Jesus being god INCARNATE(notice what this word entails) very complelling.
-Chip

[Popeyesays]

I, for another, believe Jesus existed. I believe He was divine in nature.

I do not believe that the oceans of God's essence can be captured within a single vessel of finite capacity.

Regards,
Scott

[logician]

Originally Posted by lew0049

I'm sorry but I, for one, am confident enough - based on the evidence presented - that Jesus did exist. I used to me a sceptic and that it's perfectly acceptable to believe he did not, but I hope that your conclusion is not ill-conceived. Irresponsible though? If you want to look at the evidence for and against Jesus existing then so be it, but you will be arguing against MANY of the scholars of the anicent world - and that is a fact.

As far as your response Dregod - make sure it is not you that is not taking verses out of context because I was in middle ground, so to speak, and I found the evidence for Jesus being god INCARNATE(notice what this word entails) very complelling.
-Chip

Please present your evidence that Jesus existed, let's hope it is as convincing as that that supports the existence of Julius Ceasar.

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by logician

Please present your evidence that Jesus existed, let's hope it is as convincing as that that supports the existence of Julius Ceasar.

Why should it have to be that good?

There were wandering self-proclaimed holy men in Palestine at the time of Tiberius, the place was crawling with them.

Why is it unsuitable to take the evidence present that one of them is the historical persona of Jesus of nazareth?

Regards,
Scott

[UnityNow101]

Nobody has ever explained to me how scripture can be a proof. Can it be? Does it carry any more merit or credibility than the Quran, Bhagavad Gita or any other religious book? Or is it just your belief that one is more important than the other? Is that conditioned according to your culture or upbringing, or do you know for a fact that yours it truth?

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by lew0049

As far as your response Dregod - make sure it is not you that is not taking verses out of context

I think I have shown that I have not taken then out of context. I wasn't the one who originally laid out a bunch of quotes suggesting it proves something and calling it "Overwhelming Evidence".....I've actually had to take those quotes and explain in context. Saying Yeshua is God by throwing out John 8:58 is sloppy at best. Not only does the verse in its context not mean that but the words used don't mean what they are thought to mean.

Originally Posted by lew0049

because I was in middle ground, so to speak, and I found the evidence for Jesus being god INCARNATE(notice what this word entails) very compelling.
-Chip

Then produce this proof because every time said proof is presented it is incorrect. Your title under religion says it all "Jesus is my savior".....So what "middle of the road" are you talking about? You responded with bias. I'm neither a christian, muslim or jew......So I am unbiased because the evidence is to the contrary regarding Yeshua being God.

When I say Yeshua isn't God is because of one of the many verses where we can clearly see he isn't......

John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know you, the only true god, and Jesus the Messiah, whom you have sent


"You are the only true god and I am the messiah".......

Can't get any more simple than that......or the other one that says "MY god and your god"......