What do you feel is wrong with atheism? (beliefs, atheist)

[Jaiket]

Originally Posted by GadFly

I think so. It sure does not teach atheist are righteous.The Bible teaches that atheist lie and the Bible claims atheist are fools. Don't get mad at me. Get mad at God. He said it,not me.

I'm not angry, just curious.

EDIT: I created a thread on the matter. See: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum...ml#post1176983

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by GadFly

The reason the bible teaches atheist are evil is that atheist reject the moral standards given to man by God. It is a theological concept shared by Christians universally. Are you going to charge every body in Christendom with a personal attack or just me.

The first sentence is utterly false. Atheists don't generally reject the moral standards that Christians accept. As many atheists as Christians don't kill, lie, cheat, steal, etc. The only thing they differ on is the existence of God, not what a person should or should not do.

If you mean that the concept of atheists being evil is shared by Christians universally, then you are sorely mistaken. I'd bet that the majority of Christians don't believe that, but any who do claim that would be making a personal attack on atheists, yes.

[GadFly]

Originally Posted by The Voice of Reason

You could not possibly be more wrong. Well, you probably could, and I'm sure you'll try.

First, morals do not derive exclusively from the Bible or God. If they did, all atheists (and agnostics) would be completely amoral.

Secondly, you don't have a clue as to what "atheist" (sic) reject or embrace, because as a group (like Christians) atheists embrace the entire gamut of morals. There are atheists that believe abortion is fine, and atheists that eschew it. There are atheists that support the war in Iraq, and atheists that oppose it. There are atheists that think consuming alchohol is wrong, and some that are strong supporters of it. There are atheists that are ultra conservative, and atheists that are ultra liberal. For the love of Pete, please get it through your simplistic skull that you cannot lump all atheists into a single group (other than their disbelief in God).

I am almost embarrassed to have to point out how silly and ridiculous your reasoning is. The character you are playing, give it up. You can't pull it off any more after this explanation you give. Use Dumbo the elephant, Donald Duck. or a fruit fly, or something else but the Voice of Reason, you are not.

First, morals do not derive exclusively from the Bible or God. If they did, all atheists (and agnostics) would be completely amoral.

Even simple minded philosophers admit and know that moral codes either come from God or Man (humanism). Your understanding is that of a sophist, is it not?

The Bible testifies of the morals that are required by God and the Constitution of the USA is based on these self evident truths. If a person rejects these morals, he falls into a category

Secondly, you don't have a clue as to what "atheist" (sic) reject or embrace, because as a group (like Christians) atheists embrace the entire gamut of morals. There are atheists that believe abortion is fine, and atheists that eschew it. There are atheists that support the war in Iraq, and atheists that oppose it. There are atheists that think consuming alchohol is wrong, and some that are strong supporters of it. There are atheists that are ultra conservative, and atheists that are ultra liberal. For the love of Pete, please get it through your simplistic skull that you cannot lump all atheists into a single group (other than their disbelief in God).

I am almost embarrassed to have to point out how silly and ridiculous your reasoning is. The character you are playing, give it up. You can't pull it off any more after this explanation you give. Use Dumbo the elephant, Donald Duck. or a fruit fly, or something else but the Voice of Reason, you are not.[/quote]
Talking about not having a clue, you are in for a shock, brother!

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Gadfly

I am almost embarrassed to have to point out how silly and ridiculous your reasoning is. The character you are playing, give it up. You can't pull it off any more after this explanation you give. Use Dumbo the elephant, Donald Duck. or a fruit fly, or something else but the Voice of Reason, you are not.

I would have to say that your inability to see the reason in his statements only helps support his title of "Voice of Reason". It seems you have trouble either seeing or recognizing reason, so if you were to call his post reasonable, his reasoning, to me, would come into question.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by GadFly

All you have said about me has been hateful lies and spiteful distortions with your outhouse ethical system. I am standing firm on what I believe and if that offends you, that's tough. I was invited by this thread to say what I think is wrong with atheism and that is all I am doing.

Ummm... care to have an outside, CHRISTIAN point of view?

Your theology is un-orthodox ... you consistently show a lack of Christian charity... and it seems hubris has motivated you to attack and belittle those who (by a Christian POV) need the most mercy.

Bravo.... you're doing great.

[UnTheist]

It would be great if you could give us a detailed description of what "Atheistic Logic" is, and how it works, Mr. Gadfly.

[The Voice of Reason]

Originally Posted by GadFly

I am almost embarrassed to have to point out how silly and ridiculous your reasoning is.

At this point in the thread, I highly doubt that you are capable of being embarrased.

Originally Posted by GadFly

The character you are playing, give it up. You can't pull it off any more after this explanation you give. Use Dumbo the elephant, Donald Duck. or a fruit fly, or something else but the Voice of Reason, you are not.

Just a few posts ago, you were complaining that you were the target of personal attacks and ridicule. Once again, irony rears its ugly head.

Originally Posted by GadFly

Even simple minded philosophers admit and know that moral codes either come from God or Man (humanism). Your understanding is that of a sophist, is it not?

Simple minded philosophers, indeed.
As for my being a sophist, I'll agree, with the understanding that you are referring to original Greek usage of the word. Of the Greek sages, I prefer Solon of Athens.
I would also label you as a sophist, using it in the current context (hint - this is not a compliment).

Originally Posted by GadFly

The Bible testifies of the morals that are required by God and the Constitution of the USA is based on these self evident truths. If a person rejects these morals, he falls into a category.

Oy vey!!

Originally Posted by GadFly

Talking about not having a clue, you are in for a shock, brother!

Again with applying your belief system to those that don't embrace it.

Is it lonely in there?

[The Voice of Reason]

Originally Posted by Scott1

Ummm... care to have an outside, CHRISTIAN point of view?

Your theology is un-orthodox ... you consistently show a lack of Christian charity... and it seems hubris has motivated you to attack and belittle those who (by a Christian POV) need the most mercy.

Bravo.... you're doing great.

Thanks, Scott. I doubt that he'll digest the meaning of your post, but I do appreciate the effort.