What do you feel is wrong with atheism? (beliefs, atheist)

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by Papersock

Actually, I agree.

I don't live my life by atheism since atheism is just a lack of belief. Its a relatively small part of my life.
And I have to find my own purposefulness and meaning.

Yep... whether your atheist or theist is argubly a question of mere genetics and upbringing and not something really to debate.

I mean yes for some on both sides it was environment that dictated the path and maybe an argument of truth is warranted and even if not for them then maybe future generations. I just cant see my great, great, great, great grandkids coming to relgious forums to see *** I had to say on the issue.

hehe.

[Rolling_Stone]

Originally Posted by Papersock

Actually, I agree.

I don't live my life by atheism since atheism is just a lack of belief. Its a relatively small part of my life.
And I have to find my own purposefulness and meaning.

Yes, but to what end? The grave and no hope of personality survival makes it all seem rather empty. You can deny the logical conclusion, the meaninglessness, by putting it out of your mind and finding your own purposefulness and meaning, but that's like putting a bandage on a cancer and hoping it will go away.

Jaiket also said, "Theism seems to me to carry the immediate advantage of purposefulness and meaning." He is right.

Jaiket wins! He had the final word on this matter.

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by rolling_stone

Yes, but to what end? The grave and no hope of personality survival makes it all seem rather empty.

I'm agnostic. Even if there's afterlife, I don't want eternal life. I don't want immortality. They all have no appeals to me.

Beside all that, eternal life in heaven sounds rather tedious.

What can you do there, saying that you get there?

You don't know.

Will you be with love ones, like you were on earth?

Perhaps. Perhaps not.

Can you discover new things? Can you still learn something new?

Eternal life is meaningless, if it is not worth it. Especially if life have no new mystery, what is the point of living forever. Life should have more meaning than simply just worshipping God, because this would not be life at all. It sounds more like slavery.

[Papersock]

Originally Posted by Rolling_Stone

Jaiket also said, "Theism seems to me to carry the immediate advantage of purposefulness and meaning." He is right.

However, that doesn't make it true. It may bring a sense of purpose and meaning for some people, but it would not for me because I cannot believe it is true.

Whether something makes me happy or makes life more meaningful has no bearing on how likely it is to be true.

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Rolling_Stone

Yes, but to what end? The grave and no hope of personality survival makes it all seem rather empty. You can deny the logical conclusion, the meaninglessness, by putting it out of your mind and finding your own purposefulness and meaning, but that's like putting a bandage on a cancer and hoping it will go away.

Jaiket also said, "Theism seems to me to carry the immediate advantage of purposefulness and meaning." He is right.

Jaiket wins! He had the final word on this matter.

No, the grave and no hope of personality survival only make this life that much more important and precious. That doesn't mean this life is meaningless, it just doesn't have the same meaning as it does for theists.

As Jaiket said, theism gives people's lives meaning. That means that it is an arbitrary meaning assigned by their beliefs. So, since atheism itself doesn't give us that meaning, we have to find it elsewhere. Either way, theists and atheists make up their own meaning for life, they just make up different meanings. When you say "by putting it out of your mind and finding your own purposefulness and meaning", that's exactly what theists do, they just give it a different meaning. The difference is that most atheists know that they are "only putting a bandage on their cancer", whereas most theists don't acknowledge that.

[Rolling_Stone]

Originally Posted by Papersock

However, that doesn't make it true. It may bring a sense of purpose and meaning for some people, but it would not for me because I cannot believe it is true.

Whether something makes me happy or makes life more meaningful has no bearing on how likely it is to be true.

What brand of bandage do you favor?

[Rolling_Stone]

Originally Posted by mball1297

No, the grave and no hope of personality survival only make this life that much more important and precious. That doesn't mean this life is meaningless, it just doesn't have the same meaning as it does for theists.

As Jaiket said, theism gives people's lives meaning. That means that it is an arbitrary meaning assigned by their beliefs. So, since atheism itself doesn't give us that meaning, we have to find it elsewhere. Either way, theists and atheists make up their own meaning for life, they just make up different meanings. When you say "by putting it out of your mind and finding your own purposefulness and meaning", that's exactly what theists do, they just give it a different meaning. The difference is that most atheists know that they are "only putting a bandage on their cancer", whereas most theists don't acknowledge that.

Same question: what brand of bandage do you favor? Your denial of the qualitative/experientail difference is like denying the difference between the life of a flower and the life of a stone.

Perhaps the thing most wrong with atheism is its constant state of denial.

[Bouncing Ball]

Originally Posted by Rolling_Stone

Perhaps the thing most wrong with atheism is its constant state of denial.

No it isn't!!!!!



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