What do you feel is wrong with atheism? (beliefs, atheist)

[logician]

Originally Posted by DarkSun

This universe is awe made incarnate. Everything in it is so thoroughly complex - and at our current state - far beyond our understanding.

Our earth and conscious life therein: that is a miracle above all miracles. How do you make a solution of chemicals question its own existence?

The odds of a creator not existing far outweigh the converse in my opinion.

For life; much less than the universe itself; to have come about without conscious design is inherently ludicrous.

God needn't be the typical theistic entity, either. Reverence to a force far beyond ones control, responsible for the existence of everything. That could very well be a belief system also.

I'm not trying to be overly critical - but for Atheists to blatantly disagree with even that is a baseless presumption. You can't disprove God's existense unless you are a God yourself and know exactly how the universe has been unfolding. There's no logic underpinning such a "belief" that no God exists or ever has. That is somewhat hypocritical for the most part; since some, if not most Atheists, critique religion for basless beliefs.

But I'll reiterate what I've said before. There's nothing wrong with Atheism. It's a belief system, just like any other, and people have an inalienable right to adhere to it.

Your view is fallacious, as you cannot counter the argument "who designed the designer?"

[idea]

Originally Posted by mball1297

So, what about the people who have "felt the presence" of different gods, or other things that they didn't consider gods but have the same feeling or effect? They're sure of their gods, just like you are of yours. Which one of you is right?

Anyone, no matter what religion they belong to, can feel the Holy Spirit if they have found some piece of the truth, or need comfort, or need answers. I only know what I have experienced, so cannot vouch for others... I understand that the Holy Spirit is not the only one out there… to know which is which? By their fruits ye shall know them. We are each given a conscious, the light of Christ, by which we know what is right and what is wrong… I suppose you can justify things to yourself for long enough that you can suppress your conscious, but if we are honest with our self and not afraid of personal sacrifices, we can admit what is right, and be led into the light.

16 For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God.
17 But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.
18 And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.
19 Wherefore, I beseech of you, brethren, that ye should search diligently in the light of Christ that ye may know good from evil; and if ye will lay hold upon every good thing, and condemn it not, ye certainly will be a child of Christ.

Originally Posted by Willamena

My guess is that most people didn't experience what you experienced.

13 To some it is given by the Holy Ghost to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that he was crucified for the sins of the world.
14 To others it is given to believe on their words, that they also might have eternal life if they continue faithful.

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by idea

Anyone, no matter what religion they belong to, can feel the Holy Spirit if they have found some piece of the truth, or need comfort, or need answers. I only know what I have experienced, so cannot vouch for others... I understand that the Holy Spirit is not the only one out there… to know which is which? By their fruits ye shall know them. We are each given a conscious, the light of Christ, by which we know what is right and what is wrong… I suppose you can justify things to yourself for long enough that you can suppress your conscious, but if we are honest with our self and not afraid of personal sacrifices, we can admit what is right, and be led into the light.

My point was you call it the Holy Spirit, others call it something else. They don't believe it has anything to do with Christ or your God. So, how do I know you're right, and they're wrong? You feel what you feel, but the reason you call it the Holy Spirit is because that idea was already implanted in your head. Someone else has a different idea pre-existing in their head, so they feel the same thing, but call it something different. I don't have your pre-conceived notion in my head already, so even if I feel that same feeling, I realize that it's not your "Holy Spirit", but something else.

[idea]

Originally Posted by mball1297

.... so even if I feel that same feeling....

have you had that same feeling?

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by idea

have you had that same feeling?

Yup..

[camanintx]

Originally Posted by idea

To prove God does not exist you have to be able to to observe the entire universe throughout all time to say "He is not here, He is not there" - ie - you have to become a God to prove there is no God.

Do I have to observe the entire universe throughout all time to say that there is no such thing as a square circle?

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by idea

To prove God does not exist you have to be able to to observe the entire universe throughout all time to say "He is not here, He is not there" - ie - you have to become a God to prove there is no God. You cannot prove there is no God, define God how you will - you cannot prove that there is no higher life form out there, and so athiesm is a belief...

Nor can you prove that any god exists, let alone the one you worship.

[logician]

"you cannot prove that there is no higher life form out there"

This is a lot different statement than proving there is no god, it is very likely there are more intelligent life forms out there, very unlikely that some deity or deities exist.

[Alceste]

Originally Posted by DallasApple

This is true...Its funny you said this today..Yesterday I was "counseling" my brother and his grilfriend over the phone..They called and were in a screaming fight and and my brother wanted a "mediator" apparrently..Among many things they brought up one of his problems was she whines and complains about him beign a slob and the division of houswork and chores..He reminded her he mows the lawn but he also said even though he mows it she will nag at him about that even if starts to get to tall..She made him feel as if she was telling him what to do and that made him not want to mow it....Long story longer she said "well what am I supposed to do when I see it needs mowed".....I said since you know full good and well that he is already aware it needs done. and its his respsoniblilty..just have "faith" in him that he will get to it sooner or later and that he's just been busy..
That "faith' has zero to do with religion..Unless you want to include relationships as a type of religion...Hey! Thats a good topic!!! LOL!

Even though you will have to admit..Faith can be and is applied to people their religions.Its quite a big part of it..

Blessings

Dallas

Just going to butt in here and suggest your brother and his girlfriend try to hone their communication skills. There are tips on the internet - I know it's all tough to remember in a heated moment, but sounds like they've got some problems communicating.

Come to think of it, all those tips would be handy in the forum as well.

[Alceste]

Originally Posted by mball1297

My point was you call it the Holy Spirit, others call it something else. They don't believe it has anything to do with Christ or your God. So, how do I know you're right, and they're wrong? You feel what you feel, but the reason you call it the Holy Spirit is because that idea was already implanted in your head. Someone else has a different idea pre-existing in their head, so they feel the same thing, but call it something different. I don'